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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy View Post
    This isn't journalism!
    Yes. This is #FakeNews.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe View Post
    I always found people that do an uproar for nothing to be really pointless to be in a discussion. Different point of view, I guess.

    That's an article like there are dozens everyday that says nothing more than what most people already think. Get over it, that kind of attitude will not help anyone.
    Normally I'd agree with you.

    Except you are literally coming in here with a thiny-veiled 'but my moral high ground!' stanning for a guy who used a free trip to a fan event to...

    1) Not do any research beforehand (if he was actually being honest about not knowing anything, which is still pretty damn bad considering what his job is)
    2) Wasted everyone's time by asking the highest level SE staff involved with the game a public question that could have only resulted in two kinds of answers, one very clickbaity and one generic non-answer for very obvious reasons
    3) Is on record to have harassed multiple attendees at the event and disparage the efforts they put into their creative cosplays
    4) Wrote an asshole article about the fanbase after the fact, and little to nothing about anything that was announced pertaining to the actual game

    I mean, nothing about this is even for legitimate journalistic works like criticizing how the company handles its finances or time management, or DLC practices, or anything. The guy made a conscious decision to screw with a fan gathering involving high level SE staff in full view of many other journalists in attendance as well (who probably had actual questions to ask and had to listen to this douchebag trying to bait the staff into saying something clickbaity). You literally have to go out of your way to screw this up.

    Maybe if the asshole isn't interested in the actual game itself, maybe it stands to reason that he and the rest of the site should be completely blacklisted from anything SE-related. I mean, they probably wouldn't miss not being able to cover any future SE products or being able to review something like KH3 in a normally starved month like February at the same pace as actual legitimate websites, if multiple people in the staff decided they can afford to be this disrespectful towards a fan gathering of all things. (Again, consider that someone made the decision to send this ONE person, and someone else must have read over their colleague's article and decided this was a perfectly okay thing to publish instead of telling off this colleague for being a dumbass.)

    SE doesn't have to suffer fools, and neither do we.
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 11-24-2018 at 04:17 AM.
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  3. #53
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    Simple solution for the FFXIV community. Don't visit www.rockpapershotgun.com nor invite them to Fanfest, ever. Obviously they didn't care enough to send a decent reporter so why care about their two bit gaming blog.
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 11-24-2018 at 04:27 AM.

  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    Normally I'd agree with you.

    Except you are literally coming in here with a thiny-veiled 'but my moral high ground!' stanning for a guy who used a free trip to a fan event to...

    1) Not do any research beforehand (if he was actually being honest about not knowing anything, which is still pretty damn bad considering what his job is)
    2) Wasted everyone's time by asking the highest level SE staff involved with the game a public question that could have only resulted in two kinds of answers, one very clickbaity and one generic non-answer for very obvious reasons
    3) Is on record to have harassed multiple attendees at the event and disparage the efforts they put into their creative cosplays
    4) Wrote an asshole article about the fanbase after the fact, and little to nothing about anything that was announced pertaining to the actual game

    I mean, nothing about this is even for legitimate journalistic works like criticizing how the company handles its finances or time management, or DLC practices, or anything. The guy made a conscious decision to screw with a fan gathering involving high level SE staff in full view of many other journalists in attendance as well (who probably had actual questions to ask and had to listen to this douchebag trying to bait the staff into saying something clickbaity). You literally have to go out of your way to screw this up.

    Maybe if the asshole isn't interested in the actual game itself, maybe it stands to reason that he and the rest of the site should be completely blacklisted from anything SE-related. I mean, they probably wouldn't miss not being able to cover any future SE products or being able to review something like KH3 in a normally starved month like February at the same pace as actual legitimate websites, if multiple people in the staff decided they can afford to be this disrespectful towards a fan gathering of all things. (Again, consider that someone made the decision to send this ONE person, and someone else must have read over their colleague's article and decided this was a perfectly okay thing to publish instead of telling off this colleague for being a dumbass.)

    SE doesn't have to suffer fools, and neither do we.
    That's true. I never said anything that contradicted that. My one and only point is "that was unavoidable, that's a shame, I do hope SE won't invite them anymore, but I think we all have more interesting things to do than pat ourselves on the back and go "he really was a meanie"."

    Which is basically what I was saying for a dozen messages, now, but maybe it wasn't clear...
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe View Post
    Then again, it's not as bad as you all tend to make it. There's no need for an uproar, in my opnion...
    You're probably right thought I think there is no uproar or blaming but people trying to let them know there were probably someone out there more passionate and fitted for the job.
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  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe View Post
    That's true. I never said anything that contradicted that. My one and only point is "that was unavoidable, that's a shame, I do hope SE won't invite them anymore, but I think we all have more interesting things to do than pat ourselves on the back and go "he really was a meanie"."

    Which is basically what I was saying for a dozen messages, now, but maybe it wasn't clear...
    No, you're being clear but people are explaining to you why people should make a fuss or "uproar" about this to make it clear to SE to not deal with that company again, but you're just replying with "It happens all the time, just move on!".

    Your level of apathy is part of the reason why "It happens all the time.".
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  7. #57
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    I learned that ERP is a bannable reason,the most important news. can report those people in quick sand :P
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  8. #58
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    Not quite. The 'journalist' asked a question in regards to people paying real money (I think?) for ERP. So this kind of question can only get one answer, as RMT is against the ToS.

    Tasteless and a waste of time (one hour Q&A and he wastes 7-10 minutes on this), basically. "Yoshi-P, what is your opinion on RMT?" "Huuuuuuh? You serious, mate?"
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    Last edited by Nestama; 11-24-2018 at 09:07 AM.

  9. #59
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    Unless I can see what his stumbled question was, then there isn't really much to say about what he was trying to ask. Either way, the article is mean-spirited in tone and that is a pretty obnoxious thing. I don't understand how or why "game journalists" have moved away from having journalistic integrity in the past eight years. They started out as "bloggers" and wanted so badly to be respected as journalists, only to do this kind of thing.

    RPS needs to be kept out in the future. There's some basic courtesies that Brendan Caldwell lacks, and if this is what RPS supports with their writing, well.. let 'em go bother someone else. The sad part (the infinitely sad part) is that this whole thing is pushing people away from joining the game because RPS has some of their readers eating out of their palms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyar View Post
    Unless I can see what his stumbled question was, then there isn't really much to say about what he was trying to ask.
    https://gamerescape.com/2018/11/17/f...ss-conference/
    Seventh question down.
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