Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

[Skyskip]

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

'Pissed by their own assumptions of BLU'

You would have been an idiot and a fool for thinking BLU would have been any different to the other jobs prior to the announcement. People have every right to be mad about their favorite job not being added to the game properly like every single job before them. Those expectations were perfectly reasonable. Truly, it's the bare minimum one could have for expectations. And they still failed to deliver.

You can't please everyone, but more people would have been happy with a proper job, full stop. 5 year old content is neither 'fun' nor 'innovative'. The only new thing we're getting is the damn carnival, and there's no way in the world that content could ever make up for neutering BLU and making it a dead end job.

[Reynhart]

You would have been an idiot and a fool for thinking BLU would have been any different to the other jobs prior to the announcement.

Which is exactly why lots of people already accepted that BLU couldn't be included in the game while satying faithful to its roots.

Those expectations were perfectly reasonable.

You misunderstand what I meant by "their assumption". You see people pissed because BLU won't ever be allowed to raid, even though nothing was said about that. They don't know when the level cap will be raised but they're pissed that it won't be level 80 before at least another expansion. Again, this is based on nothing.

You can't please everyone, but more people would have been happy with a proper job, full stop.

That, I really doubt. Remove the learning part and the truly hybrid possibilities, and you just don't have a Blue Mage.

5 year old content is neither 'fun' nor 'innovative'.

Even less innovative or fun is "running the same content you already do only with another caster DPS"

[Skyskip]

Which is exactly why lots of people already accepted that BLU couldn't be included in the game while satying faithful to its roots.

You misunderstand what I meant by "their assumption". You see people pissed because BLU won't ever be allowed to raid, even though nothing was said about that. They don't know when the level cap will be raised but they're pissed that it won't be level 80 before at least another expansion. Again, this is based on nothing.

That, I really doubt. Remove the learning part and the truly hybrid possibilities, and you just don't have a Blue Mage.

Even less innovative or fun is "running the same content you already do only with another caster DPS"

A lot of people had faith that the developers were competent enough to figure it out. But I would surely prefer BLU never be added to the game over this sad freakshow of a job it's been relegated to. At least then this waste of development time could have been used to make a real job. Or improve the expansion at all.

There was absolutely something said about BLU not being allowed to raid. Did you not pay attention during the panel? Yoshi P specifically used a terrible example of Death 5 being able to one-shot bosses in current content, seemingly forgetting that the developers are the ones in control of class balance and could, you know, make that not be the case. As it currently stands they are designing BLU to be incompatible with future group content, hence it being billed as a 'solo' job. If they are content to leave BLU an un-tuned mess, then do you really think it will be allowed in raid content? So yes, it's very much based in reality.

What 'hybrid possibilities' are there in grinding trash? BLU is not just it's FFXI incarnation. Besides, BLU learning it's abilities has no bearing on whether or not it can be balanced for all content. It's simply a slightly different way to level, but that part of BLU is a temporary venture at best. Eventually you will learn all your abilities. BLU has to be more than simply learning shit, and being relegated to coliseum matches and old stompable content on older jobs is not worth all the effort one has to put into grinding RNG abilities.

Gee, let's compare. BLU who can only access old content + a gladiator arena or a BLU who is designed properly and can access all new content going forward in every future expansion at the time of release? BLU as it is now is a novelty that will wear thin within a month. Being able to play the rest of the new content as it comes out will always be more fun than being relegated to the circus.

[Arkdra]

Gee, let's compare. BLU who can only access old content + a gladiator arena or a BLU who is designed properly and can access all new content going forward in every future expansion at the time of release? BLU as it is now is a novelty that will wear thin within a month. Being able to play the rest of the new content as it comes out will always be more fun than being relegated to the circus.

This is only true if you ever had any intention of maining blue mage, which 93-95% of the population does not assuming it adhered to the typical population spread.

[Skyskip]

This is only true if you ever had any intention of maining blue mage, which 93-95% of the population does not assuming it adhered to the typical population spread.

This based on...what, exactly? Does that mean you also think all further jobs should be relegated to golden saucer-esque minigames like BLU? How much player engagement goes into chocobo races and triple triad?

Just because someone isn't maining BLU now doesn't mean they wouldn't want to focus on it in the future. With it's current build you don't even get that option.

[Arkdra]

This based on...what, exactly? Does that mean you also think all further jobs should be relegated to golden saucer-esque minigames like BLU? How much player engagement goes into chocobo races and triple triad?

Just because someone isn't maining BLU now doesn't mean they wouldn't want to focus on it in the future. With it's current build you don't even get that option.

Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

But, "This time the pld quest isn't boring trash." or, "We finally managed to balance healers" or, "We've finally managed to shake nin, drg, sch and warrior out of their 5 year long dominance in the raid meta." don't move boxes like a new job.

[Skyskip]

Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

I think that might be an even more unpopular opinion than anything else lol.

I mean, you do you, but out of all the MMO's I've ever played I've been constantly impressed by how well this team juggles it's class balance. There are far, far worse games on the market that struggle with way less classes than FFXIV.

[jon041065]

Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

But, "This time the pld quest isn't boring trash." or, "We finally managed to balance healers" or, "We've finally managed to shake nin, drg, sch and warrior out of their 5 year long dominance in the raid meta." don't move boxes like a new job.

Then shouldn't we be asking for them to slow down on the patch cycle some so they have enough time for these things AND new FULL jobs? I rather wait longer to get the things I want then have the things I want chained to a mini game.