Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

[Clover_Blake]

Yoshida might have stated that it would be hard to implement but people just mostly either hoped that they would still find a way without completely taking away the identity of the job or maybe knew that it might never come.

Is that actually possible though?
There's the fact that Blue Mage needs to learn skills from monsters, versus every other class that are given the skills automatically. This means that, as Yoshida said, many Blue Mages would be harassed for not having gotten this or that skill already. This is a real problem that can't simply be ignored.
There's also the fact that the skills a Blue Mage could learn would have to be very limited and very nerfed, and then I'm sure that a part of the community would have complained that this doesn't feel like a Blue Mage at all.

The current limitations play in favour of more freedom in that regard. Now Blue Mage can collect tons of skills and do things that no other class can even dream of doing. And apparently this maintains the essence of the class, unlike what it could have become had it been a regular one. Shouldn't it be given at least a chance? Maybe raiders, apart from enjoying raiding in general, will also enjoy the Blue Mage game as well.

[jon041065]

Is that actually possible though?
There's the fact that Blue Mage needs to learn skills from monsters, versus every other class that are given the skills automatically. This means that, as Yoshida said, many Blue Mages would be harassed for not having gotten this or that skill already. This is a real problem that can't simply be ignored.
There's also the fact that the skills a Blue Mage could learn would have to be very limited and very nerfed, and then I'm sure that a part of the community would have complained that this doesn't feel like a Blue Mage at all.

The current limitations play in favour of more freedom in that regard. Now Blue Mage can collect tons of skills and do things that no other class can even dream of doing. And apparently this maintains the essence of the class, unlike what it could have become had it been a regular one. Shouldn't it be given at least a chance? Maybe raiders, apart from enjoying raiding in general, will also enjoy the Blue Mage game as well.

I'm totally against SE trying to regulate player interaction like this. They should only be doing that for ToS violations. What they have basically done is kicked the blu player instead of letting it be up to the group. And why is this not acceptable but vote kicking for a lot of other reasons is? Should they just remove vote to kick?

They could have handled that issue a lot better. Make achievements that unlock DF as you learn spells. "Learn all level 21-25 spells" achievement and there you unlocked lvl 21-25 DF content. Could have made the Carnival completion a thing to unlock the job for the full game.

Yes, some of the community would have complained about a "watered down" version of Blu. Would it have been more or equal to the backlash there is now? Who knows for sure but there is a middle ground that would most likely result in an increase of happy players compared to how many there are now. I think the best solution to this is two job crystals for two different style of blue mages/limited jobs. I could wait for 6.0 for my "XIV blu" job crystal and a lot of others have stated the same.

[Alleo]

Is that actually possible though?
There's the fact that Blue Mage needs to learn skills from monsters, versus every other class that are given the skills automatically. This means that, as Yoshida said, many Blue Mages would be harassed for not having gotten this or that skill already. This is a real problem that can't simply be ignored.
There's also the fact that the skills a Blue Mage could learn would have to be very limited and very nerfed, and then I'm sure that a part of the community would have complained that this doesn't feel like a Blue Mage at all.

Simple solution: First dont let Blue mages into content if they dont have certain skills. People cant go into duties if they lack ilvl so why not the same with skills? Heck their release of this job in 4.5 could have been a great way to say: We want you to have time to gather all the necessary skills before the expansion.

How do you know the necessary skills? Well have a window like the one in PVP that has the PVP skills in it thus people can see what they need to get. As soon as they have each skill they unlock the duties and just like PVP all the skills will be on the hotbar when you go into a dungeon or other instance. This way certain overpowered skills wont be able to be used and people that want to still queue up can do it. All the other time its still overpowered and the same like its now for solo content. Win win for everyone.

Thats something I thought off in a few minutes, SE had years since that question to make it work.

On the other hand, new jobs don't make existing content new. Running Omega 1 to 12 as a BLU would be the same as running them as any other caster, and as predictable in any other role.

Funny, because before BLU was announced, people were at peace with the idea that creating a new job mid-expansion was too much of a burden. Now that they did it, it seems okay to feel disappointed because they couldn't do more.

No but they give people a choice in which job to use for content. Blue mage gives none of those choices and on top of that can only run in really outdated content. I mean its probably really fun to beat up Garuda HM with it, or run another instance that you have already done x amount of times. At least with it being a normal job you could have taken it to new content too. Eureka, PotD and who knows what is coming in Shadowbringers wont be doable with at all. So I just dont see how this job will be fun for a long time.

SE did not have to release this job at the end of the old expansion. They could have taken their time to release it in Shadowbringers.

We got Blue Mage in this way due to people insistently complaining about "nothing new/ same old same old" content. We asked for this, simply put many got what they wanted, just not the way wanted it.

So complaining about no new and innovative content that is also long living means that its fine that they created a job as content?

If I want bananas and they give me apples that they have colored yellow, that does not mean that I have to be happy about it and stop complaining..

[Reynhart]

Simple solution: First dont let Blue mages into content if they dont have certain skills. People cant go into duties if they lack ilvl so why not the same with skills?

It won't change anyting. What the game requires is different than what the players require. Basically, if people thinks you're a burden at minlvl, they'll kick you. For BLU, if they think that a particular skill is necessary even though the game doesn't require it, they could kick you. So the only solution is to require all skills, which remove the freedom of chosing them.

No but they give people a choice in which job to use for content. Blue mage gives none of those choices and on top of that can only run in really outdated content.

That's the thing, BLU does not simply run outdated content. BLU is content. Leveling BLU, farming actions and playing it in Masked Carnival will keep people playing.

Eureka, PotD and who knows what is coming in Shadowbringers wont be doable with at all.

You don't know what content will be available to BLU in SH. For now, you can only safely assume that a 3rd Deep Dungeon and the next installement of PvP won't be. As a matter of fact, you should be able to be a BLU in Eureka, considering there's no matchmaking and that, once inside, you can freely change job. So, let's say BLU has some spells that don't scale on their stats (Demi spells, Reraise, or things like that....) it could be really powerful even at lvl 50.

SE did not have to release this job at the end of the old expansion. They could have taken their time to release it in Shadowbringers.

For me, it's a smart move because this will reduce the dry of content between the last major patch and the next expansion. Or at least, it will do a much better job at keeping people playing than Diadem 2.0 did

[jon041065]

It won't change anyting. What the game requires is different than what the players require. Basically, if people thinks you're a burden at minlvl, they'll kick you. For BLU, if they think that a particular skill is necessary even though the game doesn't require it, they could kick you. So the only solution is to require all skills, which remove the freedom of chosing them.

It can change things. "Must have all spells 1-40" requirement to queue up for things in that level range means that people couldn't complain about you not having a spell. Unless it's like a situation where the spell can be learned at level 40 and you're in a Cutter's Cry run as a lvl 39. That sounds rather dumb to still have the restriction just for things like that.

That's the thing, BLU does not simply run outdated content. BLU is content. Leveling BLU, farming actions and playing it in Masked Carnival will keep people playing.

Pissing people off by turning a highly requested job into something tied to side content doesn't get them all playing. By the way, a highly requested job being added as a job gets people playing.

For me, it's a smart move because this will reduce the dry of content between the last major patch and the next expansion. Or at least, it will do a much better job at keeping people playing than Diadem 2.0 did

Yes, keep some players playing till the next patch/expac while pissing off people that they turned the job they wanted to main into a "limited job" tied to filler content. Sounds almost too productive if you ask me. /s

[Reynhart]

It can change things. "Must have all spells 1-40" requirement to queue up for things in that level range means that people couldn't complain about you not having a spell.

As far as we know, BLU won't have levels tied to their spells. And even then, if a lvl50 monster teach you a powerful spell that you could set at any level (Like how role actions work, for example), people will complain that you don't have it.

By the way, a highly requested job being added as a job gets people playing.

Considering 1) it never happened during a dry period and 2) no new job started at level one since Ninja, you can't really judge if it would have been more useful to keep people interested. I'll speak for myself but I'm more interested in a lvl1 job with its unique leveling method and specific content than simply another lvl50 job to run content I already run with in any role with another lvl70 job.

Yes, keep some players playing till the next patch/expac while pissing off people that they turned the job they wanted to main into a "limited job" tied to filler content.

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

[Clover_Blake]

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

Basically this.

Also, I think Blue Mage has a lot of room for future updates, since it'll keep getting new skills and new challenges as its level raises. 48 (49?) skills are already a lot to digest to start with! I hope that people who are disappointed will at least give it a try, and see if the challenge that Blue Mage poses is entertaining to them.

[jon041065]

Basically this.

Also, I think Blue Mage has a lot of room for future updates, since it'll keep getting new skills and new challenges as its level raises. 48 (49?) skills are already a lot to digest to start with! I hope that people who are disappointed will at least give it a try, and see if the challenge that Blue Mage poses is entertaining to them.

There have been a lot saying they will boycott the job or are unsubbing because of this. I was already unsubbed due to my static falling apart and issues with my MS but was ready to come back until that live letter.

Blu could be a lot of fun and the content looks fun. Still won't make up for it not being functional in the FULL game where we can do current content with friends.

[Skyskip]

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

'Pissed by their own assumptions of BLU'

You would have been an idiot and a fool for thinking BLU would have been any different to the other jobs prior to the announcement. People have every right to be mad about their favorite job not being added to the game properly like every single job before them. Those expectations were perfectly reasonable. Truly, it's the bare minimum one could have for expectations. And they still failed to deliver.

You can't please everyone, but more people would have been happy with a proper job, full stop. 5 year old content is neither 'fun' nor 'innovative'. The only new thing we're getting is the damn carnival, and there's no way in the world that content could ever make up for neutering BLU and making it a dead end job.

[Reynhart]

You would have been an idiot and a fool for thinking BLU would have been any different to the other jobs prior to the announcement.

Which is exactly why lots of people already accepted that BLU couldn't be included in the game while satying faithful to its roots.

Those expectations were perfectly reasonable.

You misunderstand what I meant by "their assumption". You see people pissed because BLU won't ever be allowed to raid, even though nothing was said about that. They don't know when the level cap will be raised but they're pissed that it won't be level 80 before at least another expansion. Again, this is based on nothing.

You can't please everyone, but more people would have been happy with a proper job, full stop.

That, I really doubt. Remove the learning part and the truly hybrid possibilities, and you just don't have a Blue Mage.

5 year old content is neither 'fun' nor 'innovative'.

Even less innovative or fun is "running the same content you already do only with another caster DPS"