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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    ....And won't people ignore this minigame once they're through with it? I mean, I'm not sure how that's conceptually much more interesting when what you argue can be done with Blue Mage.

    Hell, look at Gold Saucer. If that was so much more conceptually interesting, than don't you think that place would be packed every day with people screaming "I love the Gold Saucer! I'm there everyday!"

    Yea, no one says that about minigames at the Gold Saucer, except Yuffie maybe.
    So true it hurt.

    Just look at how many people talk about the new attraction or the new GATE "Air force one", even in the Gold saucer forum no one seems to give a crap about it, so many love for LoV, so many peole racing to be the first to register for the chocobo race but yeah people were so eager to get their blue mage lock in a colisseum.
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  2. #142
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    There are several problems with your argument about why it might not be a good thing. First of all, you bring up old content. Running sastasha with a blue mage would be no more fun than running it with a overpowered lvl 70. And fates, yeah when was the last time you said to yourself you wanted to go grind some fates because it's just riveting.
    Next, different builds. No one is going to have different builds. The minuet this comes out people will find out all the skills and make a list, it might take you a day or two but everyone is going to go down the list and get all the skills and then they will figure out which ones are the most effective and everyone will use those. People new to the class will likely just get the best ones and skip others.
    Third, saying it might be diadem that works. Diadem didn't work, diadem 2 didn't work, eureka is considered boring to most people and is just something they do because the prize is worth it even if they hate doing it. Lord of verminion never took off. Rival wings is basically dead. The gold saucer is usually pretty empty. All of these things were meant to be side content and none of them were successful. SE has proven they are not good at it.
    Lastly, people asked for blue mage but no one asked for some limited job. What happens when you have all the skills and have done the masked carnival and won whatever prize they have set for it, you will set blue mage down and not touch it again because you won't be able to do the current main story, you won't be able to do current dungeons, and you probably can't even run around the current world maps because a lvl 50 is going to die to lvl 70-80 mobs. What are you going to do with this job in three months when you have all skills and the only thing it's good for is fates or old content dungeons you are not going to repeat anyway.
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  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    Dunno, some pleople would probably loved play it in every content the game as to offer far more than only in a mini-game finished in a month or so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Nobody even ask for the mask carnival to not be implented, why not have both ?
    Because, "Is usable in group content" and "the masked carnival is interesting" are diametrically opposed. Don't even start with making two sets of abilities for special circumstances, you know full well that's untenable and is pie in the sky optimism for a job that doesn't deserve that level of attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    I don't think anyone has debated about whether or not it's interesting.. But the satisfaction from minigames is fleeting, about the only one that's had staying power in this game so far is Triple Triad. Most of the time it ends up being 99% dead content for people once the rewards have been obtained. They could've let BLU escape this fate, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    ....And won't people ignore this minigame once they're through with it? I mean, I'm not sure how that's conceptually much more interesting when what you argue can be done with Blue Mage.
    Then they can stop playing it? I don't see the problem. Oh no, some content is completed, what a terrible fate. There are multiple jobs I haven't touched since I finished leveling them, what's one more?
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  4. #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    Then they can stop playing it? I don't see the problem. Oh no, some content is completed, what a terrible fate. There are multiple jobs I haven't touched since I finished leveling them, what's one more?
    ....So, what was the point of your first comment if you're just going to double back down and dismiss it yourself. I mean, you literally just dismissed your own opinion by agreeing with the general majority just now.

    Blue Mage isn't conceptually interesting, especially if you just said yourself "well, what's one more thing that I'll finish leveling and then not touch ever again".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    "Yeah now you have to pay real money to enter Seiryu extreme. Not happy ? Just play another primal. After all sometime some content isn't just for you"
    You know whats nice about this statement? Its that I actually agree with it.
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  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupa View Post
    You know whats nice about this statement? Its that I actually agree with it.
    Its because of people like you we can't have nice things anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    ....So, what was the point of your first comment if you're just going to double back down and dismiss it yourself. I mean, you literally just dismissed your own opinion by agreeing with the general majority just now.

    Blue Mage isn't conceptually interesting, especially if you just said yourself "well, what's one more thing that I'll finish leveling and then not touch ever again".
    No? Interesting is not a concept measured in longevity. Also that isn't what I plan to do with blu, though it might be what happens in the end. If blue absolutely rips in the content it can do then you can bet I will use it in premades all the time given the chance.
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  8. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    Its because of people like you we can't have nice things anymore.
    If I'm wrong for saying "if you don't like something, don't play it" Then I guess I'm crazy. Video games are supposed to be fun. Have fun torturing yourself I guess lol
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  9. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupa View Post
    If I'm wrong for saying "if you don't like something, don't play it" Then I guess I'm crazy. Video games are supposed to be fun. Have fun torturing yourself I guess lol
    Yeah, who care about improvement, "love it or quit it" push the gaming industry so far and have resulted in so many succesful title like No man's sky. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Last edited by Nariel; 11-22-2018 at 09:19 AM.

  10. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    No? Interesting is not a concept measured in longevity. Also that isn't what I plan to do with blu, though it might be what happens in the end. If blue absolutely rips in the content it can do then you can bet I will use it in premades all the time given the chance.
    Actually, one could argue that the term itself could be measured in longevity. If something is interesting, it catches and holds your attention for an unset amount of time, and when you stop....it's no longer interesting to you anymore. So, yes, the concept can be measured in longevity.
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