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    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    Dunno, some pleople would probably loved play it in every content the game as to offer far more than only in a mini-game finished in a month or so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Nobody even ask for the mask carnival to not be implented, why not have both ?
    Because, "Is usable in group content" and "the masked carnival is interesting" are diametrically opposed. Don't even start with making two sets of abilities for special circumstances, you know full well that's untenable and is pie in the sky optimism for a job that doesn't deserve that level of attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    I don't think anyone has debated about whether or not it's interesting.. But the satisfaction from minigames is fleeting, about the only one that's had staying power in this game so far is Triple Triad. Most of the time it ends up being 99% dead content for people once the rewards have been obtained. They could've let BLU escape this fate, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    ....And won't people ignore this minigame once they're through with it? I mean, I'm not sure how that's conceptually much more interesting when what you argue can be done with Blue Mage.
    Then they can stop playing it? I don't see the problem. Oh no, some content is completed, what a terrible fate. There are multiple jobs I haven't touched since I finished leveling them, what's one more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    Then they can stop playing it? I don't see the problem. Oh no, some content is completed, what a terrible fate. There are multiple jobs I haven't touched since I finished leveling them, what's one more?
    ....So, what was the point of your first comment if you're just going to double back down and dismiss it yourself. I mean, you literally just dismissed your own opinion by agreeing with the general majority just now.

    Blue Mage isn't conceptually interesting, especially if you just said yourself "well, what's one more thing that I'll finish leveling and then not touch ever again".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    ....So, what was the point of your first comment if you're just going to double back down and dismiss it yourself. I mean, you literally just dismissed your own opinion by agreeing with the general majority just now.

    Blue Mage isn't conceptually interesting, especially if you just said yourself "well, what's one more thing that I'll finish leveling and then not touch ever again".
    No? Interesting is not a concept measured in longevity. Also that isn't what I plan to do with blu, though it might be what happens in the end. If blue absolutely rips in the content it can do then you can bet I will use it in premades all the time given the chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    No? Interesting is not a concept measured in longevity. Also that isn't what I plan to do with blu, though it might be what happens in the end. If blue absolutely rips in the content it can do then you can bet I will use it in premades all the time given the chance.
    Actually, one could argue that the term itself could be measured in longevity. If something is interesting, it catches and holds your attention for an unset amount of time, and when you stop....it's no longer interesting to you anymore. So, yes, the concept can be measured in longevity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Actually, one could argue that the term itself could be measured in longevity. If something is interesting, it catches and holds your attention for an unset amount of time, and when you stop....it's no longer interesting to you anymore. So, yes, the concept can be measured in longevity.
    Oh cool, nothing is interesting since all decays to entropy in the end then. Pro talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    Oh cool, nothing is interesting since all decays to entropy in the end then. Pro talk.
    Nice hyperbole and strawman because someone debunks your argument by using the definition of the term "interesting". Good debate skills, pro tier you are.

    /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Nice hyperbole and strawman because someone debunks your argument by using the definition of the term "interesting". Good debate skills, pro tier you are.

    /s
    You didn't debunk anything lol. You basically said that things have a finite amount of time where they are interesting. That applies to literally everything. It's a non-argument about an entirely subjective matter to begin with. To get to your overarching point though;

    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    Then its about staying interesting for the longuer time no ?
    I do not agree, for the same reasons I would rather have a really damn good 4 hour game than a decently good 60 hour one. But let's say that I do accept this concept, just for fun. I will almost assuredly play this iteration of blue more than I would blue as a standard job. Blu as a standard job would work out to about a month of roulettes or less, depending on where they actually started the job at if they were going to go live with it. After which, unless I liked the job enough to main swap, (or it was rdm busted in lower end content in which case I'd occasionally roulette with it) I wouldn't touch it again until the next time I had a level cap to get to.

    This current iteration of blu will have content coming out every patch cycle for the forseeable future and will have quite a lot to do at least initially. Assuming the content is enjoyable I will derive more fun, longer from a Limited blu than from blu as a normal job (because none of what makes this limited job interesting to me would work if it were a real full on job). If you are passionate about blu and you planned to main swap, then obviously this is the inverse for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    Oh cool, nothing is interesting since all decays to entropy in the end then. Pro talk.
    Then its about staying interesting for the longuer time no ?

    On the first hand, you have Mask carnival and his comming patchs, who will be fun until you finish it once (kinda doubt about its re-playability but we miss a lot of info on it for now).

    And on the other hand, the mask carnival AND the rest of every patch in the future.

    The first one will get updated sometime while the other will get updated everytime something is added even if it don't conscern the carnival at all.

    Guess wich one will be interessting longuer.
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    Last edited by Nariel; 11-22-2018 at 09:51 AM.