Non-Flame crafters getting burned

[Coglin]

This is a good arguement for why I should be able to wear job only warrior gear on my bard.

[Agoven]

I as a player don't want everyone to have everything. This is a game...and you are asked to make choices. Boo hoo hoo if you can't get an item from one GC over another.

I'm sure there are those that agree with this philosophy. There is something to say about uniqueness of characters.

That said I do agree with the idea of inflated seal costs for similar stat items from one GC to the next. People are complaining about a few minor stats that won't really do anything.

I am more agreeing to the point if there were huge differentiation due to GCs specialization in certain weapons that being part of that GC earns you an advantage to get a higher stat gear at a lower seal level vs a GC that doesn't specialize in it. Say GC 1 seal cost 5000 due to GC specialization. GC 2 seal cost 7500 due to no specialization requiring more effort to acquire.

[Meatdawg]

It's not whiny to discuss facts. But thank you for your irrelevant contribution.

Yeah because who wants character uniqueness...

Watch out when i have .00002% better success rate then you....

You are not "discussing facts" you are throwing a fit because you cant have something.

[WillRiker]

I never understood why MMO's make you choose factions. In single player its cool, but it never ends well in MMO's. Everyone complains until both factions are basically the same anyway, alla WoW. That or they give you access to the other factions defining qualities, alla EVE Online and FFXI.

SE will eventually settle on one of these options, just like they did in the past. Because making long lasting decisions that early, in an MMO game, is silly at best.

[syntaxlies]

there is always the options to make 2 more characters and select dif GC so you can get everything

[Sephrick]

Yeah because who wants character uniqueness...

Watch out when i have .00002% better success rate then you....

You are not "discussing facts" you are throwing a fit because you cant have something.

Actually I've been level-headed about it. It wasn't until people tried to make it sound like I was throwing a fit that I got a little more unnerved.

It's one thing to discuss ones own perspective. It's another to make useless post that is nothing more than "stfu crybaby lulz who cares."

And I am just discussing facts. Months ago, SE said this issue wouldn't come up. But it has.

This thread has rendered many great suggestions to remedy the situation without making all GC items the same with a different coat of paint.

Had I known what items Ul'dah was getting in 1.20, I'd have chosen Immortal Flames. But we were reassured it wouldn't matter.

The main theme of SE MMOs is that with one character, you can do everything. I like the idea that's akin to XI's conquest points. Allow us to spend double seals to get the items from other GCs as long as we're the proper rank in our own.

[Shneibel]

there is always the options to make 2 more characters and select dif GC so you can get everything

sarcasm or serious ?

[Bahn]

All GC item are only for temporary use, just live with it.
I think it is good during certain time to have this city good for this classes and another city good for another set of classes. Then rotate around later. Why must one be best all the time?

So in other words, until the next patch comes around, I stay shafted because I chose to pick a Grand Company that I enjoyed due to the lore/story behind the company (that Square spent a LOT of time and effort into, if you haven't noticed), rather than items? Screw the lore, just gimme the items and tough shit for the others who actually gave their GC decision a lot of thought (which Square intended for you to do), is what you're saying, right?

Sorry, not for me, I'm not a min-maxing munchkin. Although I picked Immortal Flames (because I liked the leader, and not because I wanted the items), I can very much see what the other players' gripe is, ESPECIALLY because Yoshida originally stated that the strength of the items would not differ based on which GC you join.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure they have other far more pressing matters at the moment, and I can't blame them if they don't get this fixed right away. But kudos to Sephrick to pointing out this discrepancy.

[Meatdawg]

Actually I've been level-headed about it. It wasn't until people tried to make it sound like I was throwing a fit that I got a little more unnerved.

It's one thing to discuss ones own perspective. It's another to make useless post that is nothing more than "stfu crybaby lulz who cares."

And I am just discussing facts. Months ago, SE said this issue wouldn't come up. But it has.

This thread has rendered many great suggestions to remedy the situation without making all GC items the same with a different coat of paint.

Had I known what items Ul'dah was getting in 1.20, I'd have chosen Immortal Flames. But we were reassured it wouldn't matter.

The main theme of SE MMOs is that with one character, you can do everything. I like the idea that's akin to XI's conquest points. Allow us to spend double seals to get the items from other GCs as long as we're the proper rank in our own.

You realize you have a 7 page thread going, one of many i see on the front page, because you cant "have the most stats for a crafter possible"

A system where 5 more +craft isn't going to make any noticeable difference when your crafting jobs are all level 50 and HQ is just 1 level....

Or 40 more Block on your shield isn't going to make you less of a tank then the other guy

SERIOUSLY do you have nothing better to complain about (facepalm)

This patch one GC has a few "perceivable" better items then another, and next patch a different one will.

There is way more things SE needs to concern themselves with then weather or not I can get better crafting pants then you...

[Sephrick]

You realize you have a 7 page thread going, one of many i see on the front page, because you cant "have the most stats for a crafter possible"

A system where 5 more +craft isn't going to make any noticeable difference when your crafting jobs are all level 50 and HQ is just 1 level....

Or 40 more Block on your shield isn't going to make you less of a tank then the other guy

SERIOUSLY do you have nothing better to complain about (facepalm)

This patch one GC has a few "perceivable" better items then another, and next patch a different one will.

There is way more things SE needs to concern themselves with then weather or not I can get better crafting pants then you...

Again, there was a contradiction in statements made. It's the principal that this sets a precedent and continues the trend of SE saying one thing and doing another.

Just like "we'll release the class action changes when 1.19 so that we can monitor player feedback to help shape our direction" the six weeks later when it's too late for our feedback to matter they release a list of bare bones information.

I'm less concerned with how good the items are or aren't and more so with consistency in statements made by the developer.

We all made a choice we can't undo based on what we were told and what we were told has proven incorrect.

If SE wants to rebuild trust, stucking to their word or being updront about changing their minds is a good place to start.