All that BLU hate is just absurd

[Moogly]

Also, quick note, I said "How do you know it won't be good or won't be fun or that it will be good and fun?" How is that me being "a visionary who knows it will be bad"? Just because I'd rather a full job and I'm disappointed it doesn't mean Blue Mage will be bad, just that I'd prefer something else. That's the equivalent of me saying "Yeah, I love this new Final Fantasy game. It's fantastic! I'd just have preferred another turn-based entry." It's still great, I still enjoyed it, I just prefer turn-based fights.

You wanted BLU job - you get a BLU lord of verminion.
Broken expectation.

It wouldn't have been an expectation if you didn't know BLU was coming.
But here you've been thinking for months : "what's that BLU job is going to be..." to be told it won't be a regular job...
And don't tell me you didn't know about BLU before the announcement...

As for the new FF game (XV ?), you knew it wasn't going to be turned based right ? You still played it though, and in the end you did like it right ?
Well I felt the same for FFXV, played it and actually enjoyed combat in the end.
I said it in other posts, but I was also expecting it as a regular job, but in the end, although not what I expected (I wanted something to lvl to 70) I will still give YoshiP's idea a try, as the way it was meant to be.
All that criticizing before even trying the content is in fact pretty rude and disrespectful when you think about it.
You can call it fair feedback, but to me, criticizing a content before even trying it is quite rude.
If I don't like it, I will contribute to feedback, but not until I reach 50 and have fully experienced the job, it's quest line and its final lv50 content.

[LauraAdalena]

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I agree with points. But you seem to be under the impression I’m angry? I think? I’m not. I’m just saying my thoughts. I’m not even disappointed. Or sad. Or even happy. I’m just meh.

Your FFXV tangent missed the point of my example. I was trying to show how my preference doesn’t have anything to do with my actual opinion. I like XV despite my preference. Only reason I think you didn’t get it is because you regurgitate my point as though you thought of it :/

Also, I’d say if you are dissatisfied with how someone is handling something whether or not it’s out, express your dissatisfaction. It’s not rude. What is rude is acting like it’s already shit, as some people will inevitably say. But you can’t stop them, as much as a lot of us would like to. As well, it’s rude to tell people it’s rude how they are expressing their opinions and when unless they are being complete jerks about it. Those “fix” guys definitely didn’t do it in an innapropriate way. They are just throwing out ideas of how they would fix Blue Mage to work. Normal fan stuff. You know, stuff they were doing before this all started. Stuff that they do with existing jobs that we can play.

Perhaps your “it’s rude to talk about it before it’s released.” Is moot because we know quite a bit about how it’s being handled right now. And most of the people aren’t even criticizing the job but how the job is being handled. And are giving fair and welcome critique, at least most of the ones I’ve seen that get attention on here and Reddit at least.

[XoanGrahm]

As for the new FF game (XV ?), you knew it wasn't going to be turned based right ? You still played it though, and in the end you did like it right ?

Actually no, myself and many others who have been playing since the NES FF titles saw the changes as a betrayal of the franchise. Appealing to the lowest common denominator of gamers (the masses). The addition of action combat to arguably the best turn based RPG franchise felt like a betrayal to a lot of us.

[MrKimper]

Actually no, myself and many others who have been playing since the NES FF titles saw the changes as a betrayal of the franchise. Appealing to the lowest common denominator of gamers (the masses). The addition of action combat to arguably the best turn based RPG franchise felt like a betrayal to a lot of us.

I'd like to add on to this that XV shouldn't even be classified as an action game. The combat is very one dimensional and there's really little need for anything besides "Hold button to attack then switch to other button to defend" yes tit's a potential inefficient way to play the game, but the issue is that the option is there and that XV's combat system is just bad and gives players very little reward for variety besides "Well the battle's over quick enough", turn based or not.

That being said I really hope BLU doesn't end up being as disappointing as XV's combat was, even at it's barest levels if it was just going around and hunting monsters I could live with it. I just really hope the RNG isn't as bad as atma farming.

[Shurrikhan]

As for the new FF game (XV ?), you knew it wasn't going to be turned based right ? You still played it though, and in the end you did like it right ?
Well I felt the same for FFXV, played it and actually enjoyed combat in the end.

On the other hand, I personally despised it. Not because it wasn't turn-based -- I preferred the ambition of trying a new system -- but simply because the implementation felt poor to me. The swing animations in the context of an actual fight looked awkward, enemy movements were well animated but mis-aimed, like a tremendous-budget film taking on the choreography and stuntwork of half-assed school play. Somehow it managed to give less of a feel of teamplay, and commonly of strategy or urgency. It just didn't cut it for me.

And I'll admit, in a certain perspective, that doesn't seem fair. Turn-based combat is more limited in fundamental ways; there are therefore just fewer things that can go wrong, and it shouldn't be a surprise that the realtime combat triggered more peeves than turn-based combat. But, at the end of the day, nothing particularly good about the combat stuck out to me, while plenty of bad things did, even when not thinking of it in comparison to TBS or even as an FF game. The waste stood out. The lack of polish stood out. Nothing else much did.

I'm not going to dislike XIV BLU for being "not BLU enough". I'm going to dislike it if it's just... not fun.