5.0 and MSQ Skip: Free Skip Potion?

[Tenryuu-Kai]

With the New Game+ option, story skips might actually be more viable. As you say, skip ahead then enjoy the past as you wish, something you couldn't do with a story skip before, if you skipped it, it was gone for good, you just lost 90% of the game you paid for.

Skipping straight to 5.0? No, that would be pointless.
At release, there won't be all that much to 5.0, you'd be left with about a months worth of content before you'd finished everything. Sounds like a rip off to me. Not to mention you'd miss out on HW, some of the best story content in the game, or any Final Fantasy in the past 10 years for that matter!

There should be a free 2.0 skip for all future copies though, given that we can now go back and replay it whenever we want.

I think there would be one big flaw, im pretty sure the new game + will be after you finished 5.0? if yes, just imagine you going into 5.0 and you start that new game, suddenly character you never seen before are there, then you know they died in the progress of lore or something else happend to them, you still know the difference between warrior of light & darkness etc, which makes the experience not as good since you technically also know how the story will end because they are chained into eachother, but well i do admit that its a bit too early to judge since we dont know that much about new game + yet or do we? im not sure if they talked more about it at fanfest.

[kikix12]

I fail to see how skip potions are a service. We buy the game, the expansions and pay a subscription.

"I bought Witcher III and it's expansions, I should be able to play Blood and Wine with my character decked out already on my first running of the game!"

See the problem there? Expansion is called that because it expands on what is already there. It is not stand-alone content. It is story for when you complete the stories BEFORE it. Most expansions offer something small extra for earlier content, but the bulk of it is ALWAYS after most or all of previous content is finished. That's the whole point.

I agree that there is a whole lot of trash quests in ARR. I know that. I begun playing sometime during Heavensward so I did all those quests in that horrid stretch at the end over two days myself. But however much we want to dismiss it, it is part of the game content. You buy the game with its expansions. Not the expansions. If you want to skip majority of the game, then pay for that service. You should be glad you have that option. Outside of MMO's with item mall such option just doesn't exist because it completely invalidates the entire point of the game existing. In MMO's it's only "valid" because the actual content is what you do with other people.

Current skip potions are a lazy and profitable way for SE who chose to gate nearly all of the content behind the MSQ.

Some people will point out that XIV is an FF game before it's an MMORPG but at some point in order to compete with other MMORPGs for subs, the MSQ is a gate to end-game raiding/crafting/chilling out in new areas etc.[/QUOTE]

[Voltyblast]

If people would get a free skip potion they will just drag other people down like Pepsi said above.
Your argument is pretty weak, saying only fans defend the fact that people should either pay for a boost or just do the quests like some of us had to, i know plenty of people who regreted boosting and quit the game becaus they had no idea what theire doing.
Also why are people who try to get free jump potions for newbies also never people who cleared a Ultimate or atleast Savage fight? you are biased seriously. You only think of benefits for Casual players, but you fail to realize that free boosts will hurt Savage & EX Content because people with 0 experience will join up either Duty finder groups or PF groups and drag us down. im not a elitist but start thinking about the entire community instead of just one part of it.

Yes because it's not like we already have newbies WHO DO the main quest and still have absolutely no idea how to play their class but hey, if you think this is a good way then by all means keep doing it: I'm sure you won't get tired of playing with the same people for a hundred years in a row who still can't connect a 1-2-3 combo.

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calling WoW the worst MMORPG is just dumb, without WoW Most MMORPGS wouldnt exist or the player count would be very low, they also do plenty of stuff better than XIV and the other way around too, So it sounds like you are the fanboy here not us.

PS: yes that sentence is purposely over the top, I forgot that on the internet I have to explain every lame joke I make.

I might be a fanboy but you're clearly blind, so I think I'm in a better shape so far.

[TwistedTea]

If people would get a free skip potion they will just drag other people down like Pepsi said above.

Your argument is pretty weak, saying only fans defend the fact that people should either pay for a boost or just do the quests like some of us had to, i know plenty of people who regreted boosting and quit the game becaus they had no idea what theire doing.

Also why are people who try to get free jump potions for newbies also never people who cleared a Ultimate or atleast Savage fight? you are biased seriously. You only think of benefits for Casual players, but you fail to realize that free boosts will hurt Savage & EX Content because people with 0 experience will join up either Duty finder groups or PF groups and drag us down. im not a elitist but start thinking about the entire community instead of just one part of it.

To address a few things, the majority of the player base does not do Ultimates. The number of casual players attempting Savage might be higher but still lesser than the people who do Savage raids.

As for your concern about player skill being dumbed down due to skip potions/jump potions, I addressed this in this thread and others,including raiders in other threads, have brought forth solutions that SE can implement:

1. The MSQ does not really prepare you for harder content. It prepares you for more MSQ.

We get our full kit of abilities at level 70 where we re-learn our rotations.

2. Just like there's a Hall of the Novice, SE could implement the following:

a. Hall of the Expert Roulette
b. Hall of the Extreme Primal
c. Hall of the Savage Raider

and not just as one-off but every time content in these categories is released. These have to be difficult enough and with some of the mechanics that players will encounter when they go on to do the actual hard content.

If a player is unable to clear these Halls solo before attempting the actual content, they are not given permission to enter said content.

[Tenryuu-Kai]

Yes because it's not like we already have newbies WHO DO the main quest and still have absolutely no idea how to play their class but hey, if you think this is a good way then by all means keep doing it: I'm sure you won't get tired of playing with the same people for a hundred years in a row who still can't connect a 1-2-3 combo.

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I might be a fanboy but you're clearly blind, so I think I'm in a better shape so far.

Dont come at me with that BS.
what did you say? oh right ''PS: yes that sentence is purposely over the top, I forgot that on the internet I have to explain every lame joke I make.''
oh what was your over the top stupid sentence at the start? oh right it was ''B-b-b-b-b-b-but IT'S A FINAL FANTASY, IT HAS TO HAVE A STORY, IT'S SUPER DUPER MEGA IMPORTANT OR ELSE IT'S NOT A FINAL FANTASY - ah you get the gist of it.''
So pretty sure you meant that with the joke, not the WoW part BS because that sounded pretty legit and most likely what a fanboy would say.

[Tenryuu-Kai]

To address a few things, the majority of the player base does not do Ultimates. The number of casual players attempting Savage might be higher but still lesser than the people who do Savage raids.

As for your concern about player skill being dumbed down due to skip potions/jump potions, I addressed this in this thread and others,including raiders in other threads, have brought forth solutions that SE can implement:

1. The MSQ does not really prepare you for harder content. It prepares you for more MSQ.

We get our full kit of abilities at level 70 where we re-learn our rotations.

2. Just like there's a Hall of the Novice, SE could implement the following:

a. Hall of the Expert Roulette
b. Hall of the Extreme Primal
c. Hall of the Savage Raider

and not just as one-off but every time content in these categories is released. These have to be difficult enough and with some of the mechanics that players will encounter when they go on to do the actual hard content.

If a player is unable to clear these Halls solo before attempting the actual content, they are not given permission to enter said content.

The halls would be a good way to lockout those skipped players and im sure many people would be fine if thats the solution, but you also have to consider that it would need probably more coding than you think, and of course A concept of it. And i know ultimates are very rare upon the player base, but i said everyone who trys to get the free stuff for newbies Doesnt consider us raiders into it, not everyone has a static and is bound to PF due to Work / irl or something like that, your solution would make those peoples life easier and we would have no issues with those free bosted players in that case, so yes you now do consider us and in that way i can Get friendly with the idea, because hell i dont care aslong people dont waste my time in PF, but saying ''Hey my sister quit because she didnt want to Quest a few hours'' doesnt sound like a good argument.

Also MSQ does prepare you for harder content by slowly push up the difficulty from dungeons & Trials, you also learn most of the mechanics and can figure out part time of your rotations, because ofc they will change with time but the basics are the same which you do learn while doing MSQ (which includes all the dungeons and trials you have to do to complete MSQ) Hell if i skipped through 70% of the content in FF XIV i would probably still bashing my head Against the wall with most of my class rotations, because i once bought a level 60 boost for my alt for a class i never ever played before and i was overwhelmed by the amount of skills which got thrown at me.

I Doubt any of those Halls will ever get released, but atleast you try to provide a solution to the problem.

[TwistedTea]

"I bought Witcher III and it's expansions, I should be able to play Blood and Wine with my character decked out already on my first running of the game!"

The Witcher 3 is a single-player game. FFXIV is an MMORPG with lots of content outside of the story/MSQ. However due to design choices, even many of the usual MMO elements are locked behind MSQ.

Also strawman, not talking about having a character fully decked out. But an option to skip the story to the start of 5.0.

If you want to skip majority of the game, then pay for that service. You should be glad you have that option...

Nope, that's just players defending SE double dipping, when they could provide the skip option for free.

Is the MSQ really the "majority of the game" though in an MMORPG?

In MMO's it's only "valid" because the actual content is what you do with other people.

The MSQ as it is currently, is mostly a solo experience.

[Voltyblast]

Dont come at me with that BS.
what did you say? oh right ''PS: yes that sentence is purposely over the top, I forgot that on the internet I have to explain every lame joke I make.''
oh what was your over the top stupid sentence at the start? oh right it was ''B-b-b-b-b-b-but IT'S A FINAL FANTASY, IT HAS TO HAVE A STORY, IT'S SUPER DUPER MEGA IMPORTANT OR ELSE IT'S NOT A FINAL FANTASY - ah you get the gist of it.''
So pretty sure you meant that with the joke, not the WoW part BS because that sounded pretty legit and most likely what a fanboy would say.

Welcome to the internet where nobody can understand your jokes unless you tell them, and everyone is a bunch of fragile snowflakes I guess.

First of all, the last and top lines are obviously jokes...but if you were smart you'd know that by now because of the end line "ah you get the gist of it". That's a reference to people who try to give the idea of skipping msq but the usual response is "but it's a final fantasy game, it has to have a story". I don't personally care because I can skip it but you apparently took it so at heart that you had to say it here.

Secondly, I'm a fanboy of what? I play both games, I like both games, both games do good and bad things: I like wow's simplicity and more varied stats and classes while I like the fact I can use all classes in one here, so fanboy of WHAT?! If anything I seem pretty unbiased because if I was a fanboy, I'd defend one game blindly. I also like the story in wow, i don't like it here, but I don't tell everyone to skip it: I only want more people in the game and suggested an OPTION to skip it.

And for last, my line remains there, if I don't explain every single damn joke people get all upseat, and you obviously fell for it because my middle post is all about good intentions, how it could improve and how I just wish the game was more flexible when it come to the story, because not everyone enjoys the story of this game. I like stories in game, my favorite genre (if you believe it or not, I don't care) is jrpg, I have plenty of jrpgs in my shelf but oh darn, I don't like this game's story and so many others: why not let them enjoy the story at their own pace? Is that such an absurd idea?

So I suggest to keep on the topic instead of nitpicking 2 lines that I obviously made to be over the top and "whiny" because of actual people in the past (about before HW hit) who legitimately said that this game HAS to have a story.

So this conversation is over: if you're so desperate to try pick a fight with joke lines I suggest to go elsewhere, like a cabaret or something.

[Tenryuu-Kai]

Welcome to the internet where nobody can understand your jokes unless you tell them, and everyone is a bunch of fragile snowflakes I guess.

First of all, the last and top lines are obviously jokes...but if you were smart you'd know that by now because of the end line "ah you get the gist of it". That's a reference to people who try to give the idea of skipping msq but the usual response is "but it's a final fantasy game, it has to have a story". I don't personally care because I can skip it but you apparently took it so at heart that you had to say it here.

Secondly, I'm a fanboy of what? I play both games, I like both games, both games do good and bad things: I like wow's simplicity and more varied stats and classes while I like the fact I can use all classes in one here, so fanboy of WHAT?! If anything I seem pretty unbiased because if I was a fanboy, I'd defend one game blindly. I also like the story in wow, i don't like it here, but I don't tell everyone to skip it: I only want more people in the game and suggested an option to skip it.

And for last, my line remains there, if I don't explain every single damn joke people get all upseat, and you obviously fell for it because my middle post is all about good intentions, how it could improve and how I just wish the game was more flexible when it come to the story, because not everyone enjoys the story of this game. I like stories in game, my favorite genre (if you believe it or not, I don't care) is jrpg, I have plenty of jrpgs in my shelf but oh darn, I don't like this game's story and so many others: why not let them enjoy the story at their own pace? Is that such an absurd idea?

So I suggest to keep on the topic instead of nitpicking 2 lines that I obviously made to be over the top and "whiny" because of actual people in the past (about before HW hit) who legitimately said that this game HAS to have a story.

So this conversation is over: if you're so desperate to try pick a fight with joke lines I suggest to go elsewhere.

Noone gets upset here, i just argumented with you nothing else,never tried to pick a fight.
So youre acting like a snowflake right now because you interpretend that i tried to start a fight, but i just answered to your Post on this thread, you dont even have a good argument of why people should get a free boost or what SE could do for the other part of the community which is not fine with people slowing them down, TwistedTea does this very well and i like her / his posts because they are not empty worded like yours, but yeah the conversation is over little snowflake.

[Tenryuu-Kai]

The Witcher 3 is a single-player game. FFXIV is an MMORPG with lots of content outside of the story/MSQ. However due to design choices, even many of the usual MMO elements are locked behind MSQ.

Also strawman, not talking about having a character fully decked out. But an option to skip the story to the start of 5.0.



Nope, that's just players defending SE double dipping, when they could provide the skip option for free.

Is the MSQ really the "majority of the game" though in an MMORPG?



The MSQ as it is currently, is mostly a solo experience.

I do agree on that point too, a singleplayer & multiplayer games are different things.
But most of the online MMORPGs are a solo experience atleast in MSQ, its just that final fantasy locks far more behind those quests than other games in this genre, Even im bothered by the fact that some new dungeons / Trials get locked behind a annoying side-quest chain, i remember that i didnt do Hells lid for weeks because of that, so i atleast hope they stop locking those things behind a sidequest chain because thats also tiresome, i even had to use google many times to find unlocks for older content because the game is filled with side quests at this point.