Thread: 5.0 and MSQ Skip: Free Skip Potion?

Originally Posted by TwistedTea

So maybe, I've missed it with all the news about 4.5 and 5.0 but has SE addressed what are they going to do about the MSQ regarding skip potions?

Because if a new player has to go through hundreds of quests just to get into 5.0 areas and content, I can foresee a lot of them just quitting way before they even finish ARR. ARR alone has 285 MSQ quests.

Some of these are soul-crushingly tedious and I say this as someone who enjoys story.

So will SE give out free skip potions or something similar with 5.0 or will it be $kip potion on the Mog Station again?

If they'd quit in ARR why would they be any more likely to get through the 5.0 stuff?

Originally Posted by jameseoakes

If they'd quit in ARR why would they be any more likely to get through the 5.0 stuff?

Because ARR does have a whole bunch of pointless fetch/delivery quests,fetch,go here,now go there,now come back again just so we can send you off again.

As many people say, HW was way better for me but having to tell new players, "It gets better in HW!" is a poor selling point for the MSQ and the game.

Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Because ARR does have a whole bunch of pointless fetch/delivery quests,fetch,go here,now go there,now come back again just so we can send you off again.

Soon we will get new game+ so we can experience it again.

Originally Posted by jameseoakes

If they'd quit in ARR why would they be any more likely to get through the 5.0 stuff?

Because Heavensward and Stormblood are infinitely better? 2.1 to 2.3 is almost entirely pointless filler. Not to mention a good chunk of 2.0 itself is riddled with filler quests (Hi, Company of Heroes). While I never contemplated quitting outright, I was getting to the point of actually skipping dialogue when I reached the Company of Heroes. It just got so damn boring. It doesn't help early leveling showcases the absolute worst aspects of FFXIV's combat. You basically don't have a rotation of any real merit until almost level 50.

Originally Posted by bass9020

This is starting already? Wow.

They will give the option to buy each expac separately and will add Stormblood/lvl70 jump potion to the list for 5.0. Its a service not a privilege, you pay for what you need/want.

This is starting now because there's still time to implement a default free skip MSQ option up to the start of 5.0 for new players. Maybe with recap cutsences or something so that everyone has a general gist of the story.This makes even more sense now if "New Game +" is implemented.

I fail to see how skip potions are a service. We buy the game, the expansions and pay a subscription.

Current skip potions are a lazy and profitable way for SE who chose to gate nearly all of the content behind the MSQ.

Some people will point out that XIV is an FF game before it's an MMORPG but at some point in order to compete with other MMORPGs for subs, the MSQ is a gate to end-game raiding/crafting/chilling out in new areas etc.

Originally Posted by TwistedTea

I fail to see how skip potions are a service. We buy the game, the expansions and pay a subscription.

"I bought Witcher III and it's expansions, I should be able to play Blood and Wine with my character decked out already on my first running of the game!"

See the problem there? Expansion is called that because it expands on what is already there. It is not stand-alone content. It is story for when you complete the stories BEFORE it. Most expansions offer something small extra for earlier content, but the bulk of it is ALWAYS after most or all of previous content is finished. That's the whole point.

I agree that there is a whole lot of trash quests in ARR. I know that. I begun playing sometime during Heavensward so I did all those quests in that horrid stretch at the end over two days myself. But however much we want to dismiss it, it is part of the game content. You buy the game with its expansions. Not the expansions. If you want to skip majority of the game, then pay for that service. You should be glad you have that option. Outside of MMO's with item mall such option just doesn't exist because it completely invalidates the entire point of the game existing. In MMO's it's only "valid" because the actual content is what you do with other people.

Current skip potions are a lazy and profitable way for SE who chose to gate nearly all of the content behind the MSQ.

Some people will point out that XIV is an FF game before it's an MMORPG but at some point in order to compete with other MMORPGs for subs, the MSQ is a gate to end-game raiding/crafting/chilling out in new areas etc.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by kikix12

"I bought Witcher III and it's expansions, I should be able to play Blood and Wine with my character decked out already on my first running of the game!"

The Witcher 3 is a single-player game. FFXIV is an MMORPG with lots of content outside of the story/MSQ. However due to design choices, even many of the usual MMO elements are locked behind MSQ.

Also strawman, not talking about having a character fully decked out. But an option to skip the story to the start of 5.0.

If you want to skip majority of the game, then pay for that service. You should be glad you have that option...

Nope, that's just players defending SE double dipping, when they could provide the skip option for free.

Is the MSQ really the "majority of the game" though in an MMORPG?

In MMO's it's only "valid" because the actual content is what you do with other people.

The MSQ as it is currently, is mostly a solo experience.

Originally Posted by TwistedTea

The Witcher 3 is a single-player game. FFXIV is an MMORPG with lots of content outside of the story/MSQ. However due to design choices, even many of the usual MMO elements are locked behind MSQ.

Also strawman, not talking about having a character fully decked out. But an option to skip the story to the start of 5.0.



Nope, that's just players defending SE double dipping, when they could provide the skip option for free.

Is the MSQ really the "majority of the game" though in an MMORPG?



The MSQ as it is currently, is mostly a solo experience.

I do agree on that point too, a singleplayer & multiplayer games are different things.
But most of the online MMORPGs are a solo experience atleast in MSQ, its just that final fantasy locks far more behind those quests than other games in this genre, Even im bothered by the fact that some new dungeons / Trials get locked behind a annoying side-quest chain, i remember that i didnt do Hells lid for weeks because of that, so i atleast hope they stop locking those things behind a sidequest chain because thats also tiresome, i even had to use google many times to find unlocks for older content because the game is filled with side quests at this point.