Please stop making Eureka

[Neophyte]

According to XIVDV.com the statistics look like this:
Anemos weapons (Pagos achievments not listed) are almost as common as UI step relics of HW; which got released almost 3 years ago.


Average possession rate of anemos weapons:
each weapon is owned by 4,05% on average; every weapon was done about 8250,33 times

Average possession of the early UI step of relics in HW:
each weapon is owned by 4,5% of the players on average; every weapon was done about 9158 times

Average possession rate of finished HW relics:
each weapon is owned by 2,69% of the players on average; every weapon was done about 5472,31


Just to put into perspesctive how "popular", "common" and "casual" relics really are and that Anemos at least isn't that far off.

[Reynhart]

They will, it's called "wait until the next expansion's first dungeon"

I fully expect Eureka to be tweaked so that you will easily solo your weapon at level 80.
Things like removing the elvl/ilvl sync in the zones, making NM work like Hunt Marks instead of FATES, etc...

[MicahZerrshia]

Love the game, hate Eureka. Of course, I also hated Eureka when it was called Final Fantasy XI.

If you think Eureka is FFXI, you obviously never played FFXI. Nice try tho

[HyoMinPark]

According to XIVDV.com the statistics look like this:
Anemos weapons (Pagos achievments not listed) are almost as common as UI step relics of HW; which got released almost 3 years ago.


Average possession rate of anemos weapons:
each weapon is owned by 4,05% on average; every weapon was done about 8250,33 times

Average possession of the early UI step of relics in HW:
each weapon is owned by 4,5% of the players on average; every weapon was done about 9158 times

Average possession rate of finished HW relics:
each weapon is owned by 2,69% of the players on average; every weapon was done about 5472,31


Just to put into perspesctive how "popular", "common" and "casual" relics really are and that Anemos at least isn't that far off.

If these are based on achievements, they won't be that reliable since achievements are set to private on the Lodestone by default. If XIVDB can't access your achievements, it would be able to pour your data into these statistics (and this is something LuckyBancho repeats when he does his own unofficial censes).


And if you mean each weapon has a ~4% ownership rate, there are 13 HW relics and 15 Anemos weapons. So either your wording is off (and you mean to say ownership of relics as a whole is ~4%), or you're being disingenuous by trying to say ownership as a whole is ~4% when actually it's ~4% per weapon (4 x 13 = 52%; 4 x 15 = 60%). So please clarify which it is. Because your wording says EACH weapon, and there are multiple weapons involved here. Not just 1.

Considering Ultimate clears are only a couple thousand, I find it highly unlikely that relic ownership as a whole has a similar amount of participation to Ultimate.

Ok, call me nitpicky, but nothing in the post you quoted says anything about "intended for the majority". It only says that the requirement will be "a long period of time" instead of difficulty, that for some people is also a hard gate. And, it may be assumption on my part but when he says "playing solo", I think he meant "without a dedicated group", since it's hardly reasonable to farm that many tomestones without doing any group duty.

You are being nitpicky. It’s an implication. He’s explicitly saying that they’re making the Relics even easier to do because people complained about steps in the Zodiac quest chain that required doing the harder versions of Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda. Most players don’t want to do harder content; most in this game aren’t raiders, a lot don’t even step into Extreme primals. Making it easier is an attempt to make it more appealing to the general playerbase.

Again, the Relic is not niche content like you are trying to claim.

You can't really say that. Assuming the relic wouldn't be there, they would have had to put another interesting rewards in it (Since, no interesting reward would kill any content), and we don't know what participation would have been on that situation.

I feel fairly confident that I can. They literally threw every new optional item from Patch 4.45—minions, mount, hairstyle, housing items—into Pyros because the Relic is no longer enough; especially after the mess of Pagos (which is the main reason I stopped doing the Relic this expansion, and I’m not one who has issues with grinds, since I have 4 completed Anima, 1 on the i270 step because I was too lazy to do the primals at the end, and 1 on the i260 light step that I haven’t finished because, again, lazy).

They’ve done the same things with PvP: all the new hairstyles lately have been going into there (minus the Gyr Abanian style from HoH, but at least PotD also included one hairstyle, so there was a semi-precedent set there). Because they’re trying to tempt people into the content, because the content itself or the content-specific rewards are no longer enough.

If the Relic were enough, there wouldn’t be a need for all these other items to be thrown in to try and get players in there, but clearly it’s no longer enough.

That’s what tells me that, if the Relic had never been in there in the first place, the participation would have been on-par with Ultimate participation. Not exactly what the developers would want for a feature they boasted as a selling point of the expansion.

Oh yes, it does. No tomestones required at all. And, for me personally, that's a huge selling point, especially since tomestones are already the main way of gearing making old relics basically more expensive tome weapons.

I understand you hate Tomestones, but the Anima relic also had other ways of getting most of the same items you could buy with tomestones, including the worst step of that Relic (pre-nerf): Unidentifiables could be gotten through Gordias normal token farming, Allied Seals, and Beast Tribe tokens instead of (initially) 680 Poetics/Esoterics; Aether Oils through the Gift of the Archmagus quest weekly instead of (initially) 1,800 tomes; Singing Clusters via 2 quests in Idyllshire (buying them for tomes wasn’t added until later, actually). The only ones that had the Tomestone requirement were Umbrites (not Crystal Sands since they had a myriad of options) and the Ink for the last step. Which could be done slowly through daily roulettes, and not through mindless dungeon farming.

I won’t speak on the Zodiac weapon, since I’ve only casually worked on the BRD weapon.

One simple difference that you conveniently dislike doesn’t change that Eureka isn’t anything different in terms of design. All the elements present in it for Relic completion—FATE farming, token farming, and light farming—have been used before. It’s not revolutionary. Which was my main point to you.

If that happens, then SE better give us an a casual way to obtain ilvl405 raid gear and weapons xD.

It’s called “unsync the content next expansion xD”.

[Tsumdere]

According to XIVDV.com the statistics look like this:
Anemos weapons (Pagos achievments not listed) are almost as common as UI step relics of HW; which got released almost 3 years ago.


Average possession rate of anemos weapons:
each weapon is owned by 4,05% on average; every weapon was done about 8250,33 times

Average possession of the early UI step of relics in HW:
each weapon is owned by 4,5% of the players on average; every weapon was done about 9158 times

Average possession rate of finished HW relics:
each weapon is owned by 2,69% of the players on average; every weapon was done about 5472,31


Just to put into perspesctive how "popular", "common" and "casual" relics really are and that Anemos at least isn't that far off.

Yikes! 4%! That's less people than cleared O8S if I remember from Lucky Bancho which had the total number of players who had Air Force at 12%. Minion Guide has Air Force at 21% now, although I think that's just via users. Either way, both numbers are far greater than 4%. More people own Judei too which is far more niche content than Eureka.

[xbahax92]

I have never seen something pointless like Pagos. I am trying to catch up, while I do not hate grind itself but gating people (e.g. by not making it to FATE's) because to high level requirements for aetherytes, monsters on the roads always 1shotting people and also return has 10min cooldown, it is the biggest pointless instance/map I ever experienced in this entire game. Even useless trials like cape westwind or gilgamesh fights make more sense than this crap. You cant even die to port immediatly back to the base camp so you can port to a level 20! Fate (thx xp loss!). You are truly ****ed below 32, heads up Dev Team/Yoshida. Wish they would play Pagos and feel how it is as a returnee/new player.

[Reynhart]

You are being nitpicky. It’s an implication.

You can't claim an "implication" as fact. Especially when grinding for hours or even days is hardly an activity loved by the majority. In fact, I really doubt Zodiac/Anima ownership is really that high, even if XIVDB's numbers aren't perfectly accurate.

Again, the Relic is not niche content like you are trying to claim.

Do you have actual numbers to claim that ? Yet, you still use the Anima to claim what purpose should fill the Eureka weapon, when the purpose was already different between the Zodiac and the Anima, since the Anima was never a good weapon for content progression.

They literally threw every new optional item from Patch 4.45—minions, mount, hairstyle, housing items—into Pyros because the Relic is no longer enough

They threw every 4.45 items in the only 4.45 content. When was the last time a new item came from an old content ?

I understand you hate Tomestones, but the Anima relic also had other ways of getting most of the same items you could buy with tomestones, including the worst step of that Relic (pre-nerf): Unidentifiables

Yes, I loved that step for that single reason. You still had Myth Books, the Ink for Novus, Sacred water for the Zodiac, Mahatmas for Zeta...and the atrocious 24000 tomestones for the Umbrites...that I did three times. And slowly or not, tome farming is still doing the same thing over and over for days, especially since it the de facto way of gearing since the very beginning of 2.0. Give me Eureka as the main source of gear for 5 years straight it would also bore me eventually.

Yikes! 4%! That's less people than cleared O8S if I remember from Lucky Bancho which had the total number of players who had Air Force at 12%.

Frankly, I wouldn't be suprised if the majority of people simply skipped the Anima, considering you could get an equal weapon easier and/or sooner without doing Savage. But I still see a problem when using the achievements to judge how many characters are actually owning an Anima Lux, because, since each weapon has its own achievement, if one character has all of them, he would count 13 times.

[Aomine1992]

If that happens, then SE better give us an a casual way to obtain ilvl405 raid gear and weapons xD.

Savage honestly is pretty casual these days I literally have been pugging since Delta and have been completing them all....I think what’s holding casuals back from gettting the gear is simply effort.

[Nariel]

Yoshida himslef said the relic is a timesink powerfull weapon for non raider, EVERY step of it require to do easy stuff or token you can get by doing easy stuff, even in Eureka its still easy stuff to do for a longtime. Eureka is the embodiment of casual gameplay. Eureka isn't designed to be a niche content, it appeal only to a niche. Whatever you can said about number of participation or who said what. Every thing in Eureka is easy casual gamelay not even requiring to actualy use more than 1 one of your skill to actualy do it, don't even require to play at all, you could get every item in Eureka by just AFKing and hit the target once to register your participation.

Every activity of Eureka is a re-hash of older relic step with a new coat of paint. You can put it however you want, farming pyros crystal in fates isn't that different to farming tomestone. Logos cristal aren't that different of farming atma exept you need a lot of it. Farming light on trash mob/fate isn't that different than spamming A1S.

[odintius]

Well I finally got to level 17 after all the grind to level trains ect I finally able to use a mount was happy. Then I zone out of instance and flew off to do my beastman dailies and then I was sad.