Question about loot etiquette

[tdb]

Oh... you dont raid, you say? Then you dont need that ilvl anyways. For dungeons you're perfectly fine with ilvl370 or even 360 stuff. Even for EX-primals you're fine with wearing an ilvl370 ring.

Way to put words in my mouth. True, I'm not currently doing alpha savage. Our FC can't currently field a full party and based on the amounts of fail I've seen in normal alphas I'm not inclined to try savages with randoms. My friends share this sentiment. We have some recent recruits so hopefully at some points we will have enough active members. It remains to be seen if that happens before the next expansion or not.

You most likely dont even want the full set from AlphaNM - if you're so concercend about ilvl and people outrolling you on loot you "need", you should actually first check wether or not you do, aka what substats your job wants and if you get those on the NM, crafted or tomestone piece (...or the Savage-one, if you do raid after all).

Admittedly I hadn't done that at the time this little spat happened, but I did it afterwards and found out that I actually did need one more bolt. Which I got this morning. So no more bolt-related drama for me.

[BillyKaplan]

So no more bolt-related drama for me.

To be fair, it's drama you created yourself. At least this particular case.

[Vidu]

Way to put words in my mouth. True, I'm not currently doing alpha savage. Our FC can't currently field a full party and based on the amounts of fail I've seen in normal alphas I'm not inclined to try savages with randoms. My friends share this sentiment. We have some recent recruits so hopefully at some points we will have enough active members. It remains to be seen if that happens before the next expansion or not.

It wasnt intended to put words in your mouth, but rather to counter a potential argument like "But you need to do Savage to upgarde that ring!" straight away and to make the point of: If you're not able to upgrade the ring, because you dont do Savage, you dont need that high of an ilvl to begin with.

...we're also in week 8 of this raid now and you havent checked what loot you actually need...? So, at that time you actually didnt know wether or not you needed that bolt - unlike your friend, who had informed himself about what he wanted and needed. I have two bolts sitting in my inventory that I rolled on just to get something - turned out: I actually have no use for them. And I feel actually bad about that - blindly rolling on stuff isnt the way to go... grats on your bolt and grats on actually needing it after all in the end.

[NessaWyvern]

Oh, it was one of your friends that needed the bolt for the roll? So you left the party early AND spoke badly about them on the forums? Yeesh.

He probably mentioned that he was using it for the roll to help the rest of ya, you don't tell others your money making schemes, unless you don't mind them competing with you. He was probably giving the rest of you a clear hint on a way to make money.

And now you posting it on the forums will make people see it and try the same thing, it would probably dent his profits. A little bit of a dick move.

If the orchestrion roll sells for around a mil, then that's three accessories they could buy (if going by my servers prices). This means that it's more time and cost effective to trade in the bolt for the roll and buy the accessories, and you can meld more materia on crafted items. Or, you can just keep the money, considering money doesn't become obsolete like gear does in ffxiv.

Your friend did nothing wrong

I was once in a garuda farm party for people getting the garuda mount, back in ARR. I had the garuda mount already, but I was helping them out, and only wanted the nightmare. We ended up getting 20+ clears, and out of luck, most of them ended up getting the garuda horse. Towards the end, The party agreed that if a nightmare mount dropped, they would pass it for me, since I wanted that mount and helped them get all their mounts. When the nightmare dropped.. 5 of them still rolled need on it, despite them saying they would pass. Now thats going against loot etiqutte a bit, since they stated they would pass, but didn't.
Luckily I got an 88 roll and won anyway.

[tdb]

To be fair, it's drama you created yourself. At least this particular case.

Never said it wasn't. Emotions are funny things and it's sometimes difficult to control them.

...we're also in week 8 of this raid now and you havent checked what loot you actually need...? So, at that time you actually didnt know wether or not you needed that bolt - unlike your friend, who had informed himself about what he wanted and needed.

More like week 3 for me, since I only recently completed the SB storyline and got to the point where I can actually do alphascape. My friends have a huge headstart on me, having started playing the game long before me (back before HW even I think) and have kept pace with the content.

I haven't been able to earn tomestones of genesis for much longer and currently only have two pieces of Scaevan gear, most of the rest being Ryumyaku with a couple of Omicron. I had figured that upgrading Ryumyaku into Omicron would be worth it even if I would later upgrade those further to Scaevan. But this bolt fiasco served as a wake-up call and I realized it's better to just to directly from Ryumaku to Scaevan for those pieces where Scaevan is better. As it is I only need one alphascape part from next week (plus crystalloids for weapon) but getting enough genesis for all the Scaevan items will take another week beyond that.

Oh, it was one of your friends that needed the bolt for the roll? So you left the party early AND spoke badly about them on the forums? Yeesh.

I don't think I've spoken badly about them. I simply stated the facts of what happened.

And now you posting it on the forums will make people see it and try the same thing, it would probably dent his profits. A little bit of a dick move.

Such is the way of capitalism.

[NessaWyvern]

Maybe spoken badly wasn't the correct term, but you DID say you were salty at them, left in protest, and said as much in the forums. Implying that you thought badly of them, or you wouldn't have gotten mad and left early.

If I was your friend, I would have been a little bit hurt reading the first post (along with the whole leaving early thing). You could have calmly talked it out and came to a compromise, instead if just saying "are you serious?" and leaving.

[tdb]

Maybe spoken badly wasn't the correct term, but you DID say you were salty at them, left in protest, and said as much in the forums. Implying that you thought badly of them, or you wouldn't have gotten mad and left early.

If I was your friend, I would have been a little bit hurt reading the first post (along with the whole leaving early thing). You could have calmly talked it out and came to a compromise, instead if just saying "are you serious?" and leaving.

I did make my displeasure known in-game. I couldn't find this particular chat in the game's logs so I'll try to reproduce from memory:

(The orchestrion roll comes up as an offhand remark along the lines of "I'm snagging your bolts to sell orchestrion rolls on the MB :D". I ignore it at that point. Then it comes up again.)
<me> I hope you're not seriously needing on bolts to sell orchestrion rolls on the MB
<friend> of course I am
<me> Okay. Feel free to do so without me then.
(I leave the party and maybe half a minute passes without anyone saying anything while I give my retainers more work to do)
<me> I think I'd better log off before I say something I'll regret
(I log off)

I've had a couple of emotional outbursts before so I'd like to think they know me well enough to know that I need a little bit of time to cool off and adjust my mindset so we can enjoy the game together again.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I'd advise all the people defending that rolling on loot for Gil, over letting someone else gear up, to look up what happened when 24 man raids were Greed Only. Hey, it was FFA so it was pretty ok and fair.

[NessaWyvern]

Ah, fair enough then, if that's how it went down, then it's understandable why you got a bit mad, especially with the "your bolts" bit.

He might of meant your in a general term though, and (based on your recollection) you didn't ask if you could have the bolts, and still left without really talking about it. It could have been handled better, and your actions could have still hurt your friend. When in doubt, talk it out. :P

[HyoMinPark]

I'd advise all the people defending that rolling on loot for Gil, over letting someone else gear up, to look up what happened when 24 man raids were Greed Only. Hey, it was FFA so it was pretty ok and fair.

That's... not really an equivalent situation.

Greed Only took away a role's ability to roll Need on gear for their job, so a DPS could Greed and win tank gear where as before a tank that needed the gear could trump a Greed roll with Need. There was no removal of the ability to roll Need in this situation: everyone Needed on the loot, and the highest roll won - fair and square. What they choose to do with the loot is their prerogative, and there was no prior allocation of loot (since this was at least a partial premade), so there is no "etiquette" to follow here. Etiquette is only involved if loot rules or calls are made prior to entering an instance (and, even then, they cannot be guaranteed if there are randoms in a party).

This is normal mode. It's not Savage where you can only receive loot coffers on your first clear of the week. OP could have just done another 9 or 10 for another chance at a bolt. Personally, I find the entire situation to be an over-reaction and blown way out of proportion. Especially since this was supposedly amongst friends.