Make relics have the same iLVL as the Raid weapons and released at the same time

[Vahlnir]

That being, as another poster alluded to, perhaps they should have multiple paths for completing relic quests. Maybe Eureka could take you so far but to get further you'd have to do extremes and/or savage until the next catch-up patch. Or make it possible to skip Eureka (or equivalent future steps) by completing the raids or whatever. I'd be down with something like that.

Raiders already receive enough benefits from higher end content. How about no. Extremes though I could deal with. I don't need a relic to be on par with raiding weapons, but again, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. They usually get there, or close to it, at the final step. And that's perfectly fine.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Raiders already receive enough benefits from higher end content. How about no. Extremes though I could deal with. I don't need a relic to be on par with raiding weapons, but again, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. They usually get there, or close to it, at the final step. And that's perfectly fine.

Come again? Raiders have access to higher ilvl drops for only four months at best plus a weapon only five ilvls higher. That's hardly any benefit at all, especially when most games don't allow people to catch up to raid relevant gear nearly as quickly as FFXIV does. Well, apparently, WoW went down that path with BfA and people aren't happy about it.

One of the primary complaints if a fair amount of non-raiders have is that nothing lasts in this game. This is due to SE making it so casual players can always catch up easily whereas in many other games, you'd be told to either do the hardest content or settle with lesser gear.

[Lastelli]

Raiders already receive enough benefits from higher end content. How about no. Extremes though I could deal with. I don't need a relic to be on par with raiding weapons, but again, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. They usually get there, or close to it, at the final step. And that's perfectly fine.

An average static will need around 50-60 hours to clear a whole savage tier. Then you need to be lucky with your drops, because given how the weekly lockout works, you can easily go several weeks without dropping anything. If you're unlucky, you will have to kill the final floor eight times to make sure you obtain the weapon. The average raider will not see the weapon for the first 2-3 months. And things get even worse if we're talking about gear that drops in the first 2 turns. Finally, if you're pugging savage good luck, you probably won't even be able to obtain your weapon.

I honestly think that non-raiders don't really understand how terrible the weekly lockout in savage is and severely underestimate the amount of time and effort that raiding requires.

[Vahlnir]

An average static will need around 50-60 hours to clear a whole savage tier. Then you need to be lucky with your drops, because given how the weekly lockout works, you can easily go several weeks without dropping anything. If you're unlucky, you will have to kill the final floor eight times to make sure you obtain the weapon. The average raider will not see the weapon for the first 2-3 months. And things get even worse if we're talking about gear that drops in the first 2 turns. Finally, if you're pugging savage good luck, you probably won't even be able to obtain your weapon.

I honestly think that non-raiders don't really understand how terrible the weekly lockout in savage is and severely underestimate the amount of time and effort that raiding requires.

Fair enough. I suppose you are right in that people who don't really raid probably don't "get it" and I never really looked at it this way personally.