Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Gemina]

There's still the issue of accessories being present specially for tanks, for example I had a tank with ilvl 90 accessories and a ring from the Library, compared to something that is on par (ilvl 270-282 for Doma Castle) that's 15 VIT vs 93 if you x that by 4 that's essentially 300 effective VIT the tank doesn't have. It doesn't matter much <50 dungeons but after ilvl 110+ that's where things begin to really hurt, I've even had healers with crafting accessories as well that provide no extra MND thus making their heals ineffective. I'm all for including it too I just wish they'd give you a full set of gear upon hitting 50 and 60 like full Augmented Ironworks upon finishing Ultima and for 60 Augmented Shire as soon as you finish the quest for the Library that way people won't be missing gear.

I gotcha. Ideally both right and left should at the very least be adequate for the dungeon, but I guess I was thinking more along the lines of the more gear that is factored into the average, the easier it is to leave a very important slot very under leveled.

Now on topic I just finished a Castrum Albania with a tank who was in ilvl 260 and 230 gear (Shire and Hellfire) was on my Nin and he was getting crushed, no CDs, no nothing, we vote dismissed at the first boss because the wheelie TB kept chunking him past half and then died to autos and getting hit by the line zig zag moves. After that we got a tank who was decently geared up for the dungeon and continued on with the rest of it but yeah ilvl on gear is just bad while leveling and I have no idea why it's so bad lately.

It does seem to be quite bad. I've been running Shisui, Bardam's, and Doma Castle quite a bit lately and I keep getting tanks that are just getting obliterated. The majority have been DRK. I thought it was me, and there have been things I could definitely be doing better. But when an FC buddy came and replaced a tank that excused himself after multiple wipes in Bardam's, the difference was night and day.

I can only guess the abundance of crappy tanks in leveling dungeons. It's more than just the gear. The crappy gear is just indicative of the personality controlling that tank. The leveling stages for tanks can be rough because it is quite common for the DPS and healer to out gear them, which can make aggro management a little tougher. But I think it's the loss of abilities for leveled tanks that makes going back into leveling dungeons anything but desirable. So I think DPS and Healers queuing into the instances specifically are dealing with the barrel scraps.

[Awful]

Was this tank level 70 already? Could be they mostly leveled through HoH and then decided to finish the last level in dungeons. Not saying that was a good idea, leveling dungeons aren't hard but a lack of gear will start to catch up, but could explain why there were in CA with level 60 gear still.

Nope the tank was lvl 69 with this gear on it's like they never really tanked before or much I don't care much about underlying factors I just want them to be at least prepared instead of just waltzing in and getting destroyed by every mob in the dungeon and then not dodging AoEs, no CDs, being killed from half etc. Like they'd Shield Lob and Flash but they'd miss their Flashes and Circle of Scorns and spam Halone with Flash and never use anything else I don't know how they leveled but for a 69 tank it was pretty underwhelming.

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Yikes that's quite bad that you're having the same issue I'm having, and I agree overgeared DPS and healers snapping threat up attributes to their gear/skill I dunno how else SE could solve this issue there's so many tools including buying gear as soon as you hit the first area in SB for all your classes maybe there should be a quest for that? I really don't like how there's a lack of player direction for players to catch up in a sense, especially new players who they've catered to more this xpac but I could be wrong.

[Ranetsu-Akagane]

So my roommate and I were trying to do Suzaku ex together but they weren't quick enough to get in my party and they had to join another one. I got 6 clears with little to no hiccups but I hear him getting progressively angrier. so I decided to watch over his shoulder knowing whatever was going on was going to be hilarious. He's on his ast (btw he's pretty new to the game but he's doing such a great job) and he's with a whm that I shit you not is only casting stone iv. No regens, no aero 3 or 2. Just stone iv for the majority of the fight. My friend's mp dips under 1k and the dumbass whm is still stone iv'ing her life away. Tank buster comes out and he dies. Whm gets them up but back to stone iv!!! Eventually dps start to die when my roommate messes up with memorizing refrain and only then does she sorta heal by dropping a medica 2 and then back to stone iv. I've never seen such disregard in healing in my life. They wipe at enrage at 1% and I say to my roommate that if they had just did aero 3 and 2 consistently you would have cleared easy. To say the least he rage quitted for the night if not the rest of the patch lol.

EDIT: Might I add I did not see the whole fight just from where the colors come out the second time. It must have been an interesting fight from the start though if they ended at 1% like that.

I know I should not take pleasure in another person's pain but it was too funny/terrible to not mention on here. But honestly on sch I find this to be extremely common with whm co-healers. Why are more and more seemingly becoming stone iv bots? Or is it just a coincidence?

As weird as it may sound, I've had white mage healers that only spam esuna as my hp drops. I'm not sure if this is just trolling or what, but it's happened to me at least 4 times.

[Luin]

i148 weapon in Shisui isn't acceptable.

Leveling dungeons sincerely need ilvl requirement. The MSQ feeds you gear constantly.

Been a problem since ARR and it's disgusting that there's been nothing to try and mitigate this practice.

[Vahlnir]

i148 weapon in Shisui isn't acceptable.

Leveling dungeons sincerely need ilvl requirement. The MSQ feeds you gear constantly. The only "gating" anybody might ever experience is from selfish people leveling secondary jobs that consider themselves too important to spend 2 minutes gearing properly. There's zero excuse to be less than i240 in SB dungeons. The game gives you a full set of i240, so it considers i240 the base.

Been a problem since ARR and it's disgusting that there's been nothing to try and mitigate this practice.

The problem isn't really on SE's end, it's on the players. And some people are simply lazy and/or oblivious. If they're new they may not know how gearing works. But...it's also not hard to figure out. So there's not MUCH of an excuse to be using poor quality weapons/armor in higher level dungeons, but...there may be one. Laziness, however, is not an excuse.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Saint Moc Hard. 25 minute run, in case you were wondering.

Are they trying to spiritbond with it? All of their other gear is on point.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

I did Bardam's Mettle last week as a Warrior with Shire gear. There's not any better gear to get to replace it, is there? I feel like I remember the Steppe vendor gear being worse off.

Either way, with CDs I was able to pull two packs. Things hit hard, but I told the Healer I was new to the dungeon and they kept me up the whole time. I stayed in Tank stance to be safe, but since both bosses have phases where they stop beating up the tank, I was able to go into Deliverance and get off Fell Cleaves. Fortunately, some gear dropped for Tank during the run, so I was able to improve my stats.

I felt kinda happy with how things turned out and got two commendations, even if that means basically nothing. Maybe I'll keep leveling a tank to do dungeons with. It was kind of fun, if nerve-wracking!

[SenorPatty]

Are they trying to spiritbond with it? All of their other gear is on point.

You can't spiritbond convert lost ala mhigan gear.

I guess they're working on gearing themselves as I'm seeing that rakhasa ring and that i390 belt but still...

Feels like to me like they're gearing an alt job.

[Vidu]

Are they trying to spiritbond with it? All of their other gear is on point.

My guess in those cases is always that all the other gear is easy to get - or at least easier than a decent weapon.
You can buy a bodypiece with just tomestones, get that ring as drop from a dungeon...

...but the weapon requires you to actually do something! And if its only 4 runs of O8NM... or buying one off the marketboard...

And thats excatly why this whole ilvl-thing is annoying me - people can just spend enough tomestones on rings and belts and some new gloves to push their ilvl just high enough to pass the checks and yet... they keep their shitty weapon, because they're to lazy to upgrade their most important piece of gear.

[BillyKaplan]

You can't spiritbond convert lost ala mhigan gear.

You actually can, it's a pretty recent change. Only thing you can't convert are the same things you can't desynth yet, being current tome and raid gear.
Not justifying what that person did, just sharing findings.