Regarding that Finaland Interview...

[OurMom]

There would be virtually no diffference between an apartment and a full-sized instanced house with yard.

And to say an apartment should be the same as a house isn't strange?

The apartment servers could use less resources or take less space, we don't know. What we do know is, if they could add it, they would it makes zero sense not to from a business stand point. Especially since they keep trying to add more when they can.

The question started originally started off with the interviewer stating that even if he wanted to take a break as the producer advised, he can't take one for more than 30 days (granted it's 45 days). Yoshi responds that you don't need to play, you just need to log in and click on the door.

If you're so attached to something that's purely cosmetic and you already know the situation...what do you want to be done? What he said is right, don't play just click on the door if it means that much to you.

He's basically telling Yoshida that taking a break from the game comes with consequences equal to how much you invested in the house,

Again, if you're putting that much value on something purely cosmetic, that's on you. This is coming from a person that's purchased several houses and let them demo when I had no interest in the game. What should be changed is the fact you don't get your items back that you paid for or are seasonal items.

Lastly, remember that FF14 is a theme park game. People will enjoy many things, some things and at times very, very specific things. If housing is what someone enjoys and they usually don't mind paying a sub for that, why is that somehow crazy compared to a player who only subs to raid? Or only subs for the story? Or only subs to RP?

If you sub to a mmo to do the things, that mainly single players do better (except for raiding) that's, again, on you. Raiding shouldn't even be there as that's the main point for themepark mmos.


People being upset because the houses demo, get over it I guess? What people should argue for is to get your stuff back, even the most greediest of devs/publishers will return your items.

Submersibles and airships are FC housing only, and do provide crafting materials etc (some of which are unique to it). Grade 3 FC buffs are only available via free company houses too, and these can give some pretty useful buffs, from reduced teleport costs, increased food buff times, reduced durability loss. Especially for raiders, the latter 2 are extremely useful. Gardening provides unique mats as well, some only obtainable via crossbreeding, and this crossbreeding is only available in housing (personal or FC, doesn't matter, non-crossbreeding gardening abilities are available in apartments). They do provide useful things. Now, I suggest expanding apartments to allow for crossbreeding gardening, via a patio as people have suggested.

So yeah, it's more than just an actual glamour house.

Petty buffs and cosmetics for your mount =/= needing a house to actually craft gear that matters and items period.

My whole point is, I don't think he came off as out of touch. There's not much he can say or do about a system that's apparently limited other than use an apartment.

[Paladinleeds]

This isn't Aion, BDO, nor Archeage where housing is actually needed or provides something useful, it's just all glamour.

Submersibles and airships are FC housing only, and do provide crafting materials etc (some of which are unique to it). Grade 3 FC buffs are only available via free company houses too, and these can give some pretty useful buffs, from reduced teleport costs, increased food buff times, reduced durability loss. Especially for raiders, the latter 2 are extremely useful. Gardening provides unique mats as well, some only obtainable via crossbreeding, and this crossbreeding is only available in housing (personal or FC, doesn't matter, non-crossbreeding gardening abilities are available in apartments). They do provide useful things. Now, I suggest expanding apartments to allow for crossbreeding gardening, via a patio as people have suggested.

So yeah, it's more than just an actual glamour house.

Petty buffs and cosmetics for your mount =/= needing a house to actually craft gear that matters and items period.

Glamour is also an attraction, and a very big one in this game. Buffs that give you an edge in raiding by not needing as much food as it lasts longer. Less repair costs due to gear lasting longer before needing repairs. These items matter for people. Crafting items is the lifeblood of a crafter (including these vanity items), or are you going to try and downplay that too? If you do, then it's pointless debating with you as we absolutely will not ever be able to reach an agreement.

My whole point is, I don't think he came off as out of touch. There's not much he can say or do about a system that's apparently limited other than use an apartment.

Ok, now this I can somewhat agree with. I wouldn't say out-of-touch, but there is an underlying issue that does need to be resolved here. I do feel they need to rip out the housing system and fix it. One thing I suggested in another thread was make each plot instanced, within a singular ward for each area (no subdivision). Expand the apartments to allow for much the same functionality as the houses, make the houses themselves FC only (full reimbursement for all player houses destroyed, or move their entire house to an equivalently sized apartment in the same housing area, perhaps allowing for 2 apartments per character if needed to avoid "grandfathering issues" meaning some players have more apartments than others). I do think there's more that can be done. But naturally, he can't really speak about the upgrades he's doing for the housing areas (if any), so I would say he isn't out of touch based on that alone.

[Vahlnir]

So yeah, it's more than just an actual glamour house.

Housing is also a gil sink, and having those is actually pretty important too.

[Vahlnir]

Petty buffs and cosmetics for your mount =/= needing a house to actually craft gear that matters and items period.

See, this is the problem with you. Right here. What matters to you isn't always what matters to others. The world doesn't revolve around your ideas of "fun".

[OurMom]

See, this is the problem with you. Right here. What matters to you isn't always what matters to others. The world doesn't revolve around your ideas of "fun".

It's not about me because I don't make the calls, Yoshi P does and guess what? It doesn't matter to him either lol. It's nothing that can be done so use the next best thing. Plus the latter part of that sentence is actual features in those games. You actually *need* houses to craft relevant gear or to craft anything beyond beginner levels, that's not like it is here so it's not needed.

You guys think he's out of touch, I said I don't think he is. Let me guess only your opinion matters because you're upset about something? If it "mattered" and was the key part of the game, it wouldn't have been implemented this way.

Glamour is also an attraction, and a very big one in this game.

Glamour is an optional side that's in every game, I mean it wasn't even in this game when it first re launched. It's not an "attraction" it's just the only thing that "lasts" due to the casual playerbase. If you're here for the subpar glamour system there's way better games.

For everything else you said you can either buy buffs or use FC housing you don't need your own personal house and if you aren't playing for longer than 30 (or 45 days) you don't need any of it.

[Vahlnir]

It's not about me because I don't make the calls, Yoshi P does and guess what? It doesn't matter to him either lol. It's nothing that can be done so use the next best thing.

You guys think he's out of touch, I said I don't think he is. Let me guess only your opinion matters because you're upset about something? If it "mattered" and was the key part of the game, it wouldn't have been implemented this way.

Funny, I never claimed that those who think he's out of touch were the only opinions who mattered, and everyone who disagrees is 100% wrong. I just agree with the sentiment, and if people don't? That's fine and that's their right. But there are solutions to the issue we're discussing. Something COULD be done, but SE, or Yoshi P, simply won't. They are perfectly capable of fixing this and many other issues in the game. Even the things that "matter" are implemented in the most convoluted ways possible. However, you still seem to be missing the point: what matters to you isn't always what matters to others. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I will keep repeating it until you understand. And you clearly don't yet.

[OurMom]

Funny, I never claimed that those who think he's out of touch were 100% correct and everyone who disagrees is 100% wrong.

Might want to check on your arm with that reach there buddy. It was heavily implied especially with that "It doesn't matter what you find fun" when I never even implied that.

But there are solutions to the issue we're discussing. Something COULD be done, but SE, or Yoshi P, simply won't.

How do you know they won't vs they cant? Companies lie all the time so I'm not some super naive person and this company has in fact lied before. But there's no proof that they simply won't especially when they're really accommodating to the casual/fluff player base.

However, you still seem to be missing the point: what matters to you isn't always what matters to others. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I will keep repeating it until you understand. And you clearly don't yet.

When did I say what matters to me is the key thing here? And it's what matters to other, when you can copy and paste that, let me know. All I said was housing aren't "needed" and that's not based off some "opinion" it's simply facts based off how the game works. They just simply aren't needed so it's not like there's a huge problem and he's like "whatever" there's no "real problem" since housing is optional and it's never stated any where that everyone will have one.

you must use your own FC's house for them, assuming your FC has a house for it.

All of which are player created issues, there's a lot of servers with a lot of housing available. If you choose to stay on the most populated server (you in general, not you personally since people can't read here) with limited resources how is that the developers fault?

just have them instanced like duty instances.

That's probably the entire problem here I'm not well versed in coding or making mmos but I have noticed that mmos where everything isn't instanced (like sandboxes) don't have this "resource" problem, even the older ones that were created when 1.0 was made.

[Paladinleeds]

For everything else you said you can either buy buffs or use FC housing you don't need your own personal house and if you aren't playing for longer than 30 (or 45 days) you don't need any of it.

I would just like to clarify on this, I meant the grade 3 buffs specifically. These cannot be bought, you must use your own FC's house for them, assuming your FC has a house for it. Gardening with crossbreeding is much the same, you need either a personal house, or an FC house that lets you do gardening, to access it (you can't crossbreed in apartments). Hence why I mentioned them perhaps allowing apartments to do crossbreeding. That way we can reduce the need for personal housing further.

But, I do feel it should still become instanced even if it becomes FC only (with apartments for personal use). One ward for each area, no subdivision. Each house gets an instanced exterior and interior (and you would have options at each plot to type in the name of a free company, or "Go to your FC plot" should your FC be plotted there, perhaps also phase the instanced areas so they have a different house in the plot for each player?), and you would go to the area. No more multiple wards clogging up CPU cycles. Just have them instanced like duty instances. Plus, in doing so, it will also enable cross-realm free companies, and solve their housing issues there too (since I believe I read somewhere they were working on cross-realm FCs as well). Then, the challenge becomes how to allow maps to be done cross-realm, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

[Vahlnir]

When did I say what matters to me is the key thing here? And it's what matters to other, when you can copy and paste that, let me know. All I said was housing aren't "needed" and that's not based off some "opinion" it's simply facts based off how the game works. They just simply aren't needed so it's not like there's a huge problem and he's like "whatever" there's no "real problem" since housing is optional and it's never stated any where that everyone will have one.

You went and said so yet again. You don't think it matters, but others do. There's no fact that says because it's optional it doesn't really matter, making your facts simply opinions. I'm not going to claim that my opinions are facts, but I will stick by them. In an MMO, housing could be someone else's raiding, and vice versa. Technically, anything in this game is optional aside from the story, so...please do enlighten me as to how housing doesn't matter simply because it's optional, when basically every other piece of content in the game is also optional.

[SenorPatty]

If you're so attached to something that's purely cosmetic and you already know the situation...what do you want to be done? What he said is right, don't play just click on the door if it means that much to you.

And how are you supposed to click on a door if you're not subbed? That was also part of the question.


Again, if you're putting that much value on something purely cosmetic, that's on you. This is coming from a person that's purchased several houses and let them demo when I had no interest in the game. What should be changed is the fact you don't get your items back that you paid for or are seasonal items. If you sub to a mmo to do the things, that mainly single players do better (except for raiding) that's, again, on you. Raiding shouldn't even be there as that's the main point for themepark mmos.

And again, what do you mean by "that's on you?" That doesn't make any sense. You're treating the matters of the heart as if it was a fault. In a mmo game meant to basically tug at that. That's literally one of the aims of entertainment industry. You can advocate that the only things in housing that matters should be utility but if it was, deco wouldn't exist. All the fluff stuff in housing wouldn't exist.

So again, I fail to see how it's on people when that's basically one of the goals in mind when Yoshida created housing. If it was purely for functionality, I'd definitely understand you.

Housing demo is here to stay because that's the less than ideal situation the playerbase is left in. So naturally people are either going to continue voicing out against it or, as many have in this forum, put out suggestions to make it more bearable.
I really don't see why the playerbase that values something that they like should quit voicing out their frustrations. It's not a player-created mess to say that it's on them as if they did wrong. The company did and as I have said before, it would preferable in the future that instead of YoshiP saying things that sound out of touch, he should hire a PR person and avoid incensing the playerbase. It's rubbing salt in wounds.

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