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  1. #1
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    DJaySaint's Avatar
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    Grace Marigold
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    Sargatanas
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    Red Mage Lv 80

    Please allow Freeze to grant an Umbral Heart for usability

    Freeze is pretty much a useless spell right now, and almost always with the exception of certain level gaps being used as a brief filler in an aoe rotation (before you obtain Blizzard III). Crowd control is next to useless in this game, so Freeze really has no function at all whatsoever right now.

    Now, at level 70 a Black Mage's AoE rotation includes Thunder IV, Fire III, Flare, Blizzard IV, Foul. Sometimes Fire II. I always thought it was awkward to include Blizzard IV in the rotation (necessary for Umbral Hearts for back to back Flare uses), and wondered why not use Freeze to grant an Umbral Heart instead?

    Currently my AoE rotation I usually use is: Blizzard III -> Enochian -> Thunder IV -> Blizzard IV -> Fire III -> Triplecast -> Flare -> Flare -> Convert -> Flare -> Transpose -> Foul -> Thunder IV -> Blizzard IV -> Fire III -> Flare -> Swiftcast -> Flare -> Transpose

    Of course that repeats and extra Thunder IVs get tossed in there with Thundercloud procs, etc. but I always felt awkward using Blizzard IV. It's necessary for Umbral Hearts unless you want to use the old method of just Fire II x2 -> Flare then you can skip Blizzard IV (or you have tons of mobs where the Fire II spam is more DPS than Flare and Umbral Hearts mean more Fire IIs). I just feel it would be cooler to have Freeze in there instead. Plus it keeps more AoE pressure up instead of having gaps in between AoE casts. So then I would end up doing:

    Freeze -> Enochian -> Thunder IV -> Fire III -> Triplecast -> Flare -> Flare -> Convert -> Flare -> Transpose -> Foul -> Thunder IV -> Freeze -> Fire III -> Flare -> Swiftcast -> Flare -> Transpose

    To me that would make more sense because I am keeping up an AoE rotation and it would feel and flow better to do so as opposed to stopping AoE to use another single target spell, plus it would actually make use of Freeze. Freeze is only 100 potency, so it's not like it would significantly increase AoE dps (well, only 3+ mobs starting slightly and gaining a bit as you have more enemies), and having it grant an Umbral Heart will still fulfill the purpose of allowing you to use back to back Flares. I say 1 Umbral Heart as opposed to the 3 that Blizzard IV grants because of opportunity cost. If you choose to use Blizzard IV, you should get more Umbral Hearts because you are sacrificing AoE damage for more Umbral Hearts. I would even be ok with nerfing the potency to 80 if dps gain is really a concern, I just feel it should grant an Umbral Heart.

    Anyway, please make this change. I want to see Freeze be useful, and I want my AoE rotation to flow better. It would just be a neat quality of life change so I can use Freeze in AoE rotations instead of Blizzard IV, and have a reason to include it on my hotbar. Otherwise you might as well remove the spell from the game because it serves no other purpose. Freeze is an iconic spell. It makes me sad to see it totally useless.
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    Last edited by DJaySaint; 01-28-2018 at 02:21 PM.

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    Ferth Fontaine
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    While we're changing Freeze for the better can we also remove the target circle placement and just have it be a circle around our target? I mean.. I have a macro that does that anyway... but I'd rather not have to use a macro if it can be avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferth View Post
    While we're changing Freeze for the better can we also remove the target circle placement and just have it be a circle around our target? I mean.. I have a macro that does that anyway... but I'd rather not have to use a macro if it can be avoided.
    I would be ok with this. I already have the <t> macro for Freeze, Shadow Flare, and Salted Earth anyway. As a gamepad user I find them annoying at times not being able to just click them like a normal off global cooldown ability and some times not have them fire off immediately (having to press the macro more than once to get it to work).
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  4. #4
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    I'm sure there are more Black Mages out there who may agree yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJaySaint View Post
    level 80
    How are you at level 80?! I call hax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferth View Post
    While we're changing Freeze for the better can we also remove the target circle placement and just have it be a circle around our target? I mean.. I have a macro that does that anyway... but I'd rather not have to use a macro if it can be avoided.
    How can you macro this?
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by killerVanilla View Post
    How can you macro this?
    /ac Freeze <t>
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    How are you at level 80?! I call hax.
    I'm from the future playing 5.0 and Freeze still sucks
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    Akor Draconic
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    They should make it in to OGCD shadow flare. 1min CD 20-30sec duration.
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Yes please! No more useless spells.
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