Few close friends quit FFXIV, one wants to explain why, hopes SE improves the game

[Jxnibbles]

Oh and can you please send me your 2-step crafting rotation for starred recipes. This would save me so much time!

Here ya go bud 2 button macros for starred 35 durability

Macro button #1
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac Ingenuity <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Name of Water" <wait.2>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>

Macro button # 2
/ac Ingenuity <wait.2>
/ac "Brand of Water" <wait.3>
/ac "Brand of Water" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>

Can also post you a macro for 70 durability. Do you need it? It is only 3 whole buttons!

[Aerlana]

Can also post you a macro for 70 durability. Do you need it? It is only 3 whole buttons!

It would make love at least one lalafell *curiosity activated*

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Fair enough but even when ast was doing less hps than whm it was favoured anyway because of the raid dps buffs it brings.

Exactly.

What I suspect Tint meant about a lack of identity though is White Mage is supposed to be the one-dimensional burst healer. But it really lost that aspect since Astro does most of the healer better. MP management is only an issue if you lack Refresh, and how many groups run without a Bard nowadays? Still, I would call it more conceptually flawed, primarily because FFXIV just doesn't have content where a raw, burst, healer is ever needed. Which is Astro has pulled ahead. At least before the Malefic III changes, White Mage could boast it did noticeably higher damage. Now it's losing to Astro in that category as well.

I'll just say the easiest way to change crafting would be to simply have crafters able to produce the -exact- same gear you get from drops/tomes with HQ's having advanced melding available, having dyed/pentamelded where the tomes base does not. Where as the existing path is typically the gear you get from raiding/tomes can not be dyed without upgrading it with something from the other raid. Once the tomes devalue, then you can simply buy the tomes upgrade without doing the raid. If a gear is no longer valuable for it's melding value, then players can still craft dyable versions of it for glamour.

Thus there are two ways of getting that gear, instead of one, and you can save some time if you have all your crafter jobs leveled. Though the materials would likely be harder to obtain if everyone chooses that route.

If I could craft i390 or i400 gear. Why would I ever touch a dungeon again? The entire reason they don't have gear that rivals tomestone stuff until the subsequent patch is to maintain queue times.

[DreamAngel-Ren]

Anytime SE tries to innovate new things we get stuck with stuff like Lords of Vermillion, Diadem and Euruka. We all know how the community feels about them. Until they figure out how to design new content that the community likes, were going to be doing the same content with a new coat of paint every time.

Pretty much THIS. ALL OF THIS. Been saying it in all the topics that bring this up. Why should SE change or take MORE risk when the risk they DO take fail?

Here's what I think:

According to some in this thread, the 'new' stuff (ex: Diadem, LoV, Eureka, etc.) isn't what they asked for which means it's back to the drawing board for the dev team because they can't fully grasp what the playerbase wants. With each player having a different taste for content/playstyle, it's kinda hard for them to decide on what to add in because in the end, the forums is flooded with complaints.

All I can say is that a lot of money is being wasted lol

[Tlachtga]

If people are gonna quit the game for whatever reason (boredom, RL stuff ect.) , just do it. No need to be dramatic and write a damn dissertation about how you're bored.

[Penthea]

Exactly.

What I suspect Tint meant about a lack of identity though is White Mage is supposed to be the one-dimensional burst healer. But it really lost that aspect since Astro does most of the healer better. MP management is only an issue if you lack Refresh, and how many groups run without a Bard nowadays? Still, I would call it more conceptually flawed, primarily because FFXIV just doesn't have content where a raw, burst, healer is ever needed. Which is Astro has pulled ahead. At least before the Malefic III changes, White Mage could boast it did noticeably higher damage. Now it's losing to Astro in that category as well.

Conceptually whm is fine. It is not lacking in class fantasy and identity. However in my opinion it is severely lacking interesting mechanics. Ast's healing kit is basic but the cards spice up the class as a whole. Sch has a secondary resource and a pet to manage. Whm has...heals. The fact that the lily mechanic is largely ignored is very telling that the class is in dire need of attention.

Don't get me wrong I do not begrudge anyone who enjoys whm. Great for anyone who does. However I feel SE are failing the class by having the classic Final Fantasy healer be very much in the shadow of two other classes that are nowhere near as iconic in the series as a whole. It's already struggling to be in the meta because it doesn't bring any raid dps buffs, and on top of that it is very mechanically basic compared to the other two healers. SE is failing whm on two fronts and this needs to change. I honestly worry that if a fourth healer is introduced then whm will become even less desirable in end-game.

[Vahlnir]

If people are gonna quit the game for whatever reason (boredom, RL stuff ect.) , just do it. No need to be dramatic and write a damn dissertation about how you're bored.

I'd have to disagree. The forums are a place for people to provide feedback. They should be allowed to do so whether it's positive or negative. If they want to do so on the way out the door I don't see the problem.

[Elkanah]

THANK YOU!!!

Uhh... I have a hard time believing either of you two actually played XI.

Also, my Kikoku would like to have a word with you and this joke about relic weapons in XIV.

SKY and SEA were not the same.
Neither was Limbus and Dynamis.
Nor Salvage or Assault.
Besieged (mostly for fun)
Empty Notorious Monsters
Burning Circle NM's
NM hunting for gear
Einherjar
Nyzule Isle investigations
Abyssea
Skirmish
Ambuscade
& Delve
Also Campaign which is in the same category as Besieged

Out of ALL that was listed, only Sky and Sea were similar, but spawned specific monsters in different ways (or coming down overhead from the sky).
Proccing weapons or skills and magic skills in Abyssea was a much different system still added to the NM system with spawns.
Now, these all came out in different expansions, but there was never the exact same thing twice on paper in the same .5 updates. They were all in different areas.
You didn't even NEED to progress in the MSQ for each of the expansions to gain access to the content either. It was available at a certain point in the story.
The rest was history or extra, or for things like earrings for your equipment and content.
Or if you liked the challenge at the time, Apoc Nigh.

I also want to advise that these BIG changes came when the game was STILL on PC, PS2 AND Xbox 360, when the game still looked like Windows 98 garbage. So using the "ps4 limitations" excuse is garbage. If they can make vast changes to a system while still looking like Put put goes to the zoo from Windows 97, then they can make changes in the span of time too.

[Krokov]

Uhh... I have a hard time believing either of you two actually played XI.

Also, my Kikoku would like to have a word with you and this joke about relic weapons in XIV.

SKY and SEA were not the same.
Neither was Limbus and Dynamis.
Nor Salvage or Assault.
Besieged (mostly for fun)
Empty Notorious Monsters
Burning Circle NM's
NM hunting for gear
Einherjar
Nyzule Isle investigations
Abyssea
Skirmish
Ambuscade
& Delve
Also Campaign which is in the same category as Besieged

Out of ALL that was listed, only Sky and Sea were similar, but spawned specific monsters in different ways (or coming down overhead from the sky).
Proccing weapons or skills and magic skills in Abyssea was a much different system still added to the NM system with spawns.
Now, these all came out in different expansions, but there was never the exact same thing twice on paper in the same .5 updates. They were all in different areas.
You didn't even NEED to progress in the MSQ for each of the expansions to gain access to the content either. It was available at a certain point in the story.
The rest was history or extra, or for things like earrings for your equipment and content.

I played and still do play XI, I have been playing since 2004 with breaks during that time.

[Elkanah]

I played and still do play XI, I have been playing since 2004 with breaks during that time.

Then you should know how different each of the content patches and updates were, along with what was added to the game, which kept the core (which honestly, I don't think will ever change), but still brought new and exciting features to keep the community going. Well, up until abyssea, then it kind of changed till a few years later after Seekers and the final expansion released, before renewing again with older and newer content. The only thing that really stayed the same, was the grind for level. Outside of that, endgame was always something different.

You also didn't need to play dynamis one week, and still could access limbus that week in place of einherjar among other endgame events. So you always felt like you had a lot to do. And more so not enough time. But it was always new. New new new. Which was kind of the point in my post lol. It wasn't like lords of vermillion or diadem (which was just a basic pumpkin spice latte double shot venti) version of a fate system.