Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[KaivaC]

There is a difference between what you consider to be bad personal performance and what is generally considered garbage. A random pug isn't going to know how you evaluate yourself. If you play several classes they might not even know if your nin is your main, or if that character is your main. The most they can do is look up a log and make a judgement call based on that.

It's good that you want to improve but don't mix up self evaluation with general evaluation.



Because you appeared to use an incorrect view on 5k dps as a way to support your argument about elitists not being as common as some may say. It's a bit like an average sized person saying finding well-fitted clothing isn't a problem while claiming that their average height is super short.

I assume most people here can tell that my 5k is garbage. That is what I have always assumed - if I'm pulling grey parses, I'm a trash raider. Regardless, i misspoke about something. . Like I said, I tend to not be explicitly clear with initial postings on this forum. One look at a nin log can tell you that ninjas should be hitting in the area of 6 to 6.2k. My argument still stands that they're not as common as this forum makes it seem in my personal experience.

[RoyalBeef]

I assume most people here can tell that my 5k is garbage. That is what I have always assumed - if I'm pulling grey parses, I'm a trash raider. Regardless, i misspoke about something. . Like I said, I tend to not be explicitly clear with initial postings on this forum. One look at a nin log can tell you that ninjas should be hitting in the area of 6 to 6.2k. My argument still stands that they're not as common as this forum makes it seem in my personal experience.

I think there's one of the major flaws with FFlogs. It checks how you perform compared to everyone else, but not how you perform in cosideration of the performance that i required to clear a fight. Granted that would be hard to calculate. Taking Boss HP, then statistics about how many % each class should deliver to total dps in average, and then see if you meet that average value that i required from your class for that fight.

In germany we have saying: "A good horse only jumps as high as it needs to". If 5k is mora than enough to clear a fight, who gives a shit that there's someone out there that can pull 6k (other than our ego). You could also argue what "better" means. In the end you both cleared, but they put more effort in without any real gains (aside from ego again).

Nature of the thing is, as long as people are compared to each other, there will always be people with grey parses, because there can only be 1 winner. However giving colours that compare your dps with required DPS for a fight would paint a different picture.

But that's just hypothetical rambling ^^

[Lastelli]

I assume most people here can tell that my 5k is garbage. That is what I have always assumed - if I'm pulling grey parses, I'm a trash raider. Regardless, i misspoke about something. . Like I said, I tend to not be explicitly clear with initial postings on this forum. One look at a nin log can tell you that ninjas should be hitting in the area of 6 to 6.2k. My argument still stands that they're not as common as this forum makes it seem in my personal experience.

You definitely have some work to do and can improve a lot, but I'd personally consider a 5k nin "adequate". At the very least, it means that you understand how the job works at a fundamental level.

That's not the case for a 3k blm. And unfortunately, they're more common than you'd think.

[Aquaslash]

I assume most people here can tell that my 5k is garbage. That is what I have always assumed - if I'm pulling grey parses, I'm a trash raider. Regardless, i misspoke about something. . Like I said, I tend to not be explicitly clear with initial postings on this forum. One look at a nin log can tell you that ninjas should be hitting in the area of 6 to 6.2k. My argument still stands that they're not as common as this forum makes it seem in my personal experience.

You don't run into many "big bad elitists" because:
1. You're not just playing a meta job, you're playing THE meta job, and most are just glad to even HAVE a NIN instead the 430th SAM who doesn't dot
2. You're demonstrating honest to god effort and clearing, and that's truly what most people want.

5K is averagely average these days, and tbh, I don't expect fantastic numbers from utility jobs in a PUG anyway. Plus, smart people who read logs can tell what things are out of your control. They'll know if the healer spent the whole fight like our WHM here getting hit by Adam's spin attack and standing in both of Eve's Aoes. They'll know if the tank dragged a pack of aoeing mobs over your body during ten chi jin and all that kind of stuff. And most of all, if you have a static, and they haven't kicked you despite underperforming, then they enjoy you as a person, and are willing to play with you, which are really the best kind of people.