A little scared of the future

[van_arn]

Fair enough but telling other players to quit the game or that the games only for people who are "good" is arrogant, toxic, and disgusts me. You have no obligation to carry other players in the game but insisting others QUIT entirely is the kind of behavior which destroyed WoW's community.

Sylvina-san. You read, but you fail to comprehend.

If someone no longer wants to improve, they have already quit.

I stroke my magnificent silky white goatee.

The "You don't pay my sub" arguement works both ways tbh.

"Neither do you pay mine, so why should I have to deal with your ****?"

Hmm.

Then don't pug. and don't queue with such people. You'll NEVER have the right to insist they dont play. ever.

You don't pay my sub.

I have to agree with this if you hate randoms so much why even pug? If they put themselves out there then they are the only ones to blame if they meet others not on their own skill level.

You, also, don't pay my sub. The simple fact of the matter is it's not worth doing a PF for a daily -- merely bring a friend along (which you should do anyway to queueboost a dps buddy) so you can fix any vote kicks, and you then have the authority to weed out whomever you wish for whatever reason you wish -- as long as it's covered by "playstyle differences."

I suppose you could go on a grand crusade where you kick anyone that is even moderately critical of the performance of the party, but pfft-- nobody's gonna do that. Let alone go along with a kooky desire to kick the players telling the icemage they can do better post-Stormblood. If anything at all came of it, you'd get booted for being a busybody by a votefixing duo.

Well the vault is nerfed so hard now that you can even do that when you sleep, but i don't really understand the issues people have and had in the burn or the vault.
Is it a bit more challenging? Yes. Is it to hard? Hell no!

The common thread between the two dungeons is terrible healers have an especially bad time, which is only compounded when other roles don't know their buttons. This is perfectly fine, as anyone able to even make it to either dungeon has had more than enough time to read their tooltips.

There's a minor excuse to be had with skips in the vault (though they should be kicked so they can read their tooltips), but even that flimsy justification just doesn't apply to the Burn.

Simply put, any healer that can't heal through the Burn needs to be sent back to Bardham's Mettle, Doma Castle, Ala Mhigo, and Castrum for remedial lessons. Other roles can pick up some things from those dungeons, as well, but the healer in particular has things to learn in each of those. This includes people that afk leveled through HOH or lower level roulettes; if you level something to 70 and didn't bother to learn anything as you went, or perhaps alt-geared it to get past the ilvl gate, I'll relish a vote in favor of kicking you if you don't perform the baseline in anything gated post-stormblood.

You have no obligation to carry other players in the game but insisting others QUIT entirely is the kind of behavior which destroyed WoW's community.

And incessant mollycoddling of players four patches into Stormblood that haven't learned even the basics they were expected to know before they even hit Praetorium have done an awful lot to make this particular brand of toxicity (as quoted) insufferable in the equal and opposite way. I don't expect the icemage to hit Savage-tier damage in the Burn, I expect -- and by fixed votekick, demand -- them to have a baseline degree of competence with their class.

They are free to play how they like by themselves in solo content, even icemage. Just not with players in post-Stormblood content. If players expect me to tolerate them in post-Stormblood content when they can't be bothered to even read their tooltips, I genuinely positively absolutely seriously beg them to uninstall. Because they quit a long time ago, ignored a hundred lessons along the way, have no fire to improve, and it's unhealthy for them to continue playing; not to mention unhealthy for the community as a whole to tolerate such indifference to three other peoples' time.

If they, instead, would ask me for any sort of guidance outside of said content I will bend over backwards, to my limited ability, to offer guidance. But if they show up in the Burn wholly unprepared, they need to hit the pavement.

[Limonia]

The common thread between the two dungeons is terrible healers have an especially bad time, which is only compounded when other roles don't know their buttons. This is perfectly fine, as anyone able to even make it to either dungeon has had more than enough time to read their tooltips.

There's a minor excuse to be had with skips in the vault (though they should be kicked so they can read their tooltips), but even that flimsy justification just doesn't apply to the Burn.

Simply put, any healer that can't heal through the Burn needs to be sent back to Bardham's Mettle, Doma Castle, Ala Mhigo, and Castrum for remedial lessons. Other roles can pick up some things from those dungeons, as well, but the healer in particular has things to learn in each of those. This includes people that afk leveled through HOH or lower level roulettes; if you level something to 70 and didn't bother to learn anything as you went, or perhaps alt-geared it to get past the ilvl gate, I'll relish a vote in favor of kicking you if you don't perform the baseline in anything gated post-stormblood.

The problem here is that (was also posted in this very thread somewhere I think) healers need to cast Medica, Medica II AND Assize, "all AoE heals they have", or however it was phrased. And that, unfortunately, seems to be too much for them.

It is so weird that like 90% of the time, it's always the healers that complain that the content is getting too hard. At the same time they rarely use more than 50% of their healing spells or buffs. And if something requires more than pressing Cure or Medica II here and there, it is hard content and must be nerfed.

I am so very sick and tired of healers not using their abilities. I already stopped complaining about them not dpsing at all. I just wished they could at least heal somewhat decently. A healer that doesn't dps already has the easiest role in the party BY FAR. Yes, there are also DPS that only use a fraction of their abilities. But most of them press most at least, not just in the right order or too slow. But there are so, so, sooo many healers that use like 5 of their 30+ actions.

I also haven't seen Tanks or DPS complain about the difficulty of The Burn (or The Vault, Bardam's Mettle etc. in the past) yet, only healers. If they would put in a minimum of effort, they wouldn't think that The Burn is hard. Because it isn't. You just can't afk there. That's a difference. And if a DPS messes up and gets hit, it will hurt a little more than in other dungeons, just like with The Vault when it was new. But that doesn't make it oh so hard if you press more than 1 button every 10 seconds.

The question is, what can be done here? How can we make lazy healers at least not be so terrible at healing? They say they signed up to heal and do nothing else, but they don't even do that right. But maybe I'm just salty because I've seen that way too often recently.

[van_arn]

The question is, what can be done here? How can we make lazy healers at least not be so terrible at healing? They say they signed up to heal and do nothing else, but they don't even do that right. But maybe I'm just salty because I've seen that way too often recently.

Simple, kick the lazy healers every single time you come across one. Make them uncomfortable to queue up for any content if they haven't figured out their buttons, and hold their quest progression hostage until they know the basics for the content they're trying to clear. Do not let a healer clear anything they aren't capable of healing.