A little scared of the future

[HyoMinPark]

I never do savage/X stuff ... i only did the poneys during HW and the HW birds during SB ....and Alex1S for the HW relic .
Some things in this game are unnecessarily difficult , like the Stormblood quest ( shinryu ) or the 4.3 primal , in fact even 1 year after you are almost sure to fail the first try if you have Susano in the trial roulette ....

Shinryu and Tsukuyomi aren’t difficult; they just require people to use their brain. Something the game has done very little of up until Shinryu.

But these threads have to stop , the burn IS NOT hard at all ... it has the same difficulty than Aurum Vale / The Vault , and the mog dungeon in HW -i forgot the name .

The Burn isn’t a difficult dungeon. I’d say it’s easier than AV and The Vault. And definitely easier than Sohr Khai.

Even the previous expert roulette , with The Swallow's Compass was harder than this one , during 4.3 i got my tomestones in Eureka / Hunts / HoH to don't have to bother with it .

Swallow’s Compass is the easiest Expert Roulette dungeon to date. When you can do the entire thing and not even heal... there’s a problem.

[Lauront]

How toxic. You have zero right to tell people to quit regardless of their level of skill. If someone does NOT want to improve (WHY THOUGH!!) that's really on them and it's not your job to be a jerk about it.

Well it's not your job to carry them, either. If people can't keep up and don't listen to feedback, "hit the pavement" seems like the right approach.

[Sylvina]

Well it's not your job to carry them, either. If people can't keep up and don't listen to feedback, "hit the pavement" seems like the right approach.

Fair enough but telling other players to quit the game or that the games only for people who are "good" is arrogant, toxic, and disgusts me. You have no obligation to carry other players in the game but insisting others QUIT entirely is the kind of behavior which destroyed WoW's community.

[Sylvina]

He's not wrong though. Pity the party of anyone who is not only bad, but makes no effort to get not bad.

Nearly 1800 page thread about DF and reading through them and how bad people are, you wonder how they can be so bad and somehow find joy in this game when they are a burden on every party they encounter.

Doesn't give anyone the right to tell other people they can't play a game they enjoy.

[ko_]

I'm still not high fiving SE yet.. cause I still believe it's just gear. I don't think mist dragon is anything speical at all. Once people get gear this dungeon like all the other ones wil be a joke and people will be bored again. Yes I'm jaded but for right now I see no reason not to be. This is why I'm waiting. I won't high five SE unless it still kills you and is just as hard once we're full 409 or whatever. Until then I'm withholding my judgement. With that being said, I've seen people die to some insane shit in this game. I seen a wipe on floor ONE in deep dungeon.. yes floor ONE! I seen a group wipe 3 times in the first dungeon. Yes. This happened. So I dunno. I get that alot of people think this game is piss poor easy, but I seen both sides and I think it's in a fine place. What we really should be asking is NOT for harder dungeons cause it isn't happening. We need to stop GEAR creep. THAT I believe is the issue. Stop that.. you stop baby mode.

[Fhaerron]

Yes, there is. If you have poor DPS (and I have seen it), the large floor AOE will expand all the way towards the edge if all four of those dragon head adds aren't dead. You will wipe at that part and have to restart the fight from the beginning.

I've said it to someone else in this thread but that's no DPS check.

I've survived that part multiple times with derp DPS. I pop CD's and use cover on healer, we get heavy damage and vuln debuffs but it's not hard to recover from.

[Fhaerron]

I'm still not high fiving SE yet.. cause I still believe it's just gear. I don't think mist dragon is anything speical at all. Once people get gear this dungeon like all the other ones wil be a joke and people will be bored again. Yes I'm jaded but for right now I see no reason not to be. This is why I'm waiting. I won't high five SE unless it still kills you and is just as hard once we're full 409 or whatever. Until then I'm withholding my judgement. With that being said, I've seen people die to some insane shit in this game. I seen a wipe on floor ONE in deep dungeon.. yes floor ONE! I seen a group wipe 3 times in the first dungeon. Yes. This happened. So I dunno. I get that alot of people think this game is piss poor easy, but I seen both sides and I think it's in a fine place. What we really should be asking is NOT for harder dungeons cause it isn't happening. We need to stop GEAR creep. THAT I believe is the issue. Stop that.. you stop baby mode.

How about boss mechanics deal damage in % instead of flat out damage.

So that you loose say 80% from a certain hit at lvl 70 but still loose 80% at lvl 80 for example. And a higher sync rate so you can't face roll it with higher Ilvl?

[Sylvina]

How about boss mechanics deal damage in % instead of flat out damage.

So that you loose say 80% from a certain hit at lvl 70 but still loose 80% at lvl 80 for example. And a higher sync rate so you can't face roll it with higher Ilvl?

Gear exists for a reason, including "Better" and higher item level gear. If they did that, why have item levels at all? why not just use one set of gear forever? People are SUPPOSED to out gear content eventually.

[Sigma-Astra]

I've said it to someone else in this thread but that's no DPS check.

I've survived that part multiple times with derp DPS. I pop CD's and use cover on healer, we get heavy damage and vuln debuffs but it's not hard to recover from.

I've had multiple groups where DPS were derping and weren't able to kill the dragon heads.

Never wiped once on that part. tank can use CD's and I always use cover on the healer if that happens. Nobody (should) die if they're at full HP, you get vuln debuffs at most, I also pop my wings sometimes but when you have derp DPS's they can't even get into shelter.

Saying that there's no DPS check just because you've had capable parties and anecdotal evidence to prove to yourself it's not does not nor will it ever exclude the fact that it is a DPS check and it is ruled as one by the majority.

Anyone can see plain as day that the adds need to be DPS'd down as fast as possible or you're going to suffer for no reason other than party incompetence.


Sorry, but you're on the losing side of the fence here.

[ko_]

Gear exists for a reason, including "Better" and higher item level gear. If they did that, why have item levels at all? why not just use one set of gear forever? People are SUPPOSED to out gear content eventually.

Yes this is true.. but the issue I think we have is we're getting into NEW content already overpowered. There's no reason a dungeon should give useless gear that's 40 points BELOW what we are currently wearing if you even casually play this game. We get spoiled with gear too fast. THAT is why this game is piss poor easy I believe. Or atleast it's a huge reason why. Why are we getting 355 gear when the normal player is like 360 atleast?