To all you successful FC leaders... How did you do it?

[Vidu]

There's one thing that you're wrong about. Most of what you said is good and helpful, and I thank you for that. But you're wrong about one thing.

Any community, whether online or offline, social or business, needs an egomaniacal leader.

I created this thread to get practical advice, NOT to be sermoned to become a kinder, "purer", morally-upright person. My intentions for my FC is for my own benefit. But who cares? I'm forced to do things for others' benefit as well, so no harm done.

You are... comparing yourself an a community of people to a military organisation? Are you really that out of it or just trolling again...? I honestly cant tell - I can only tell you that in this context you are completly wrong.

The military might need egomanic leaders to keep everyone in check and disicpline, but thats not what is required here. You're not running a buisness or an organisation of any kind, most of the time you're even working towards a common goal within an FC, which is completly fine, because FCs in this game arent set up like that.

Maybe our approachs are just extremly different, because you are talking to someone who easly earns that amount of money by crafting each week, or even day - if I put my mind to it - and then use that money to make sure that even the people in my FC who have less time to play, get to enjoy the game - either by just giving them the millions they need to buy a small house or by getting them a minion they really love or by just saving them the money outright by spending 20 minutes of my time to craft them some gear so they can continue their adventure. (And I honestly wouldnt be surprised if some of the people who gave you money just weight how little gil is worth and how much their peace from you is worth)

You can try to live your Napolean-leader-fantasy, but it doesnt seem to work to well for you, so I'm telling you: If you want to change the behaviour of your members, aka: have them not leave, you need to change your behaviour and approach towards the whole thing.
People will care if they're there for your benefit - or for theirs. And if they dont like you very, very much - and they dont seem to do - they will leave. They're not your employees, they're not your soldiers and they dont owe you s*it. And the sooner your realise that, the sooner you can start building a healthy and strong community.

Your ideas for your FC and for your position in it arent well recived, obviously. An "egomaniac leader" might have been required in france, but not in Eorzea and specially not for an FC. I like to think of my FC as a family - a family doesnt need an egomaniac leader, a family needs someone whos willing to put their own needs behind and nurture its members - and not their loyalty.

So, practical advice: Drop that attitude, stop believing you're the greatest human being, work on your social skills instead of bragging about them, humble yourself - and then start trying to build a community, instead of a company.

[Super_Bee_Brian]

(What Vidu said.)

I swear to you I'm not trolling. I'm serious.

But let me quote something (completely memorized, as a way of showing my wisdom) to you from Niccolo Machiavelli...

I certainly think that it is better to be impetuous than cautious, for fortune is a woman, and it is necessary, if you wish to master her, to conquer her by force. And it can be seen that she lets herself be overcome by the bold, rather than by those who proceed coldly. And therefore, like a woman, she is always a friend to the young, because they are less cautious, fiercer, and master her with greater audacity.

To be a leader, you must be bold. And usually, the boldest and most brazen people are the ones at the top. Leadership is leadership wherever you are.

My goal in the Mateus server is to first earn 180 million gil so that I can fund a 30-man army who'd conquer Ul'dah through roleplaying. (Mateus is a roleplaying server) That's 6 million gil per year per person.

My INITIAL goals are humble, but overall, long term, I'm out to gain big stuff. I'll become the Napoleon of this game.

And similar goals require similar methods.

[KaivaC]

I swear to you I'm not trolling. I'm serious.

But let me quote something (completely memorized, as a way of showing my wisdom) to you from Niccolo Machiavelli...

I certainly think that it is better to be impetuous than cautious, for fortune is a woman, and it is necessary, if you wish to master her, to conquer her by force. And it can be seen that she lets herself be overcome by the bold, rather than by those who proceed coldly. And therefore, like a woman, she is always a friend to the young, because they are less cautious, fiercer, and master her with greater audacity.

To be a leader, you must be bold. And usually, the boldest and most brazen people are the ones at the top. Leadership is leadership wherever you are.

My goal in the Mateus server is to first earn 180 million gil so that I can fund a 30-man army who'd conquer Ul'dah through roleplaying. (Mateus is a roleplaying server) That's 6 million gil per year per person.

My INITIAL goals are humble, but overall, long term, I'm out to gain big stuff. I'll become the Napoleon of this game.

And similar goals require similar methods.

Annnnddd, this confirms the trolling. And my interest in this thread has now evaporated faster than Bee's FC losing members.

...oh, too soon?

I'll see myself out now.

[Super_Bee_Brian]

Annnnddd, this confirms the trolling. And my interest in this thread has now evaporated faster than Bee's FC losing members.

...oh, too soon?

I'll see myself out now.

Please stop. I'm not trolling. I didn't wanna delete my previous post but I had to because of such an accusation.

[Super_Bee_Brian]

Annnnddd, this confirms the trolling. And my interest in this thread has now evaporated faster than Bee's FC losing members.

...oh, too soon?

I'll see myself out now.

Nevermind. I reposted it.

Seriously, please, don't accuse me of trolling. People get banned for that stuff. I'm completely serious.

[KaivaC]

Nevermind. I reposted it.

Seriously, please, don't accuse me of trolling. People get banned for that stuff. I'm completely serious.

Aha....threatening with a ban? Very well. I'm done with this thread anyhow. Seriously, I'm completely done with this thread. Adieu, good ser.

I'm not threatening anything. I was saying that I might get banned because people would think I'm a troll.

People already think you're a tr....you know what, nevermind. Not wasting another daily post on this thread.

[Super_Bee_Brian]

Aha....threatening with a ban? Very well. I'm done with this thread anyhow. Seriously, I'm completely done with this thread. Adieu, good ser.

I'm not threatening anything. I was saying that I might get banned because people would think I'm a troll.

[loaded-god-complex]

You're comparing yourself to Napoleon. Dude~ you play a video game where you're riding around the world on a cartoon chicken trying to stop an evil moon wizard.

[Penthea]

You're comparing yourself to Napoleon. Dude~ you play a video game where you're riding around the world on a cartoon chicken trying to stop an evil moon wizard.

I legit laughed out loud at this. Thank you for such a wonderful comment.

[Vidu]

Annnnddd, this confirms the trolling. And my interest in this thread has now evaporated faster than Bee's FC losing members.

...oh, too soon?

I'll see myself out now.

...thanks for saving that post, Kaiva - I owe you!

Wether or not that guy is trolling or just dellusional doesnt matter, because its pretty clear that words are actually wasted on him.

So, for everyone seeking real advice on how to keep an FC together (I dont know, people might google that to look for real advice and will not only find that but also some serious amusement in this thread) - I stand by what I said: Create a help- and useful community with yourself in the middle - not at the top. Network, make sure you get to know your members on an appropriate ingame-level, offer help, advice, fast queues, gears and FC-activities like maps and primal-farms.