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  1. #21
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    Lunalepsy's Avatar
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    Yxiah Eruyt
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    This is one of those threads where you increase your post count.
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  2. #22
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    raffydturtle's Avatar
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    Yoyoibu Naibu
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    Cactuar
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    Marauder Lv 90
    You form the crew and the connections before you even form the FC.

    If you have no friends (no core members) that are close and willing enough to form the FC with.. then likely you're not as "socially competent" as you think you are.

    All successful FCs started small with either A) a raid group that decided to form an FC, B) an existing group of IRL friends, or C) a group of in-game people who grew to know and care for each other **over time**... They made an FC solely for themselves, and slowly and surely, it would grow through new friends and acquaintances.

    It seems like you want the success with none of the pre-requisites nor the effort. Quite frankly, you simply sound like an impatient power-hungry attention whore.

    I'll tell you how to make your FC successful.

    Leave.

    The remnants might just bond over their common experiences of how annoying you likely are, and grow closer for it. THEN they might be able to form the core of a potentially successsful FC.
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    Last edited by raffydturtle; 10-02-2018 at 10:42 PM.

  3. #23
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    Thatusernameistaken's Avatar
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    Lady Lunafreya
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    Faerie
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    I love how the OP brags about his supposed "social skills"...as he sits in his dead FC wondering why nobody wants to be around him.
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  4. #24
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    Chad Thundermember
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    Mateus
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by raffydturtle View Post
    You form the crew and the connections before you even form the FC.

    If you have no friends (no core members) that are close and willing enough to form the FC with.. then likely you're not as "socially competent" as you think you are.

    All successful FCs started small with either A) a raid group that decided to form an FC, B) an existing group of IRL friends, or C) a group of in-game people who grew to know and care for each other **over time**... They made an FC solely for themselves, and slowly and surely, it would grow through new friends and acquaintances.

    It seems like you want the success with none of the pre-requisites nor the effort. Quite frankly, you simply sound like an impatient power-hungry attention whore.

    I'll tell you how to make your FC successful.

    Leave.

    The remnants might just bond over their common experiences of how annoying you likely are, and grow closer for it. THEN they might be able to form the core of a potentially successsful FC.
    My feelings were genuinely hurt from this post. Seriously, the others were insulting but not to this extent.

    But anyway... I do have friends in the game. I actually was thinking of doing your advice even before I read it. And I may actually do it. The only problem really is that a lot of them are already invested in their own FCs.
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  5. #25
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    Canadane's Avatar
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Then why not join a friends FC instead of making your own?
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    http://king.canadane.com

  6. #26
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    Super_Bee_Brian's Avatar
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    Chad Thundermember
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Then why not join a friends FC instead of making your own?
    Because I have a leadership fetish.
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  7. #27
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    Van Arn
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    Goblin
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian View Post
    Because I have a leadership fetish.
    This... This is exactly why I've avoided fcs in the past.
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  8. #28
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian View Post
    Because I have a leadership fetish.
    ...thats excatly why your FC isnt working: Because you're doing it for your own gain and needs, not for your members.
    You dont want to build a strong, helpful and friendly community - you want to feed your own ego by pointing to a large number of people you are "leading".

    Let me tell you a secret: A leader isnt required in this game at all. The post you want to fill is one that isnt needed whatsoever.
    Leadership, at least in my FC, means basically only one thing: Having an overview of everything and doing some stuff, that servers your community but that no one else is intrested in. Our team of "leaders" isnt different from the other members in any regard except them putting the needs of the FC and their members before their own.

    For example: We have a house and a garden and everyone is invited to plant whatever they like - we have seeds and soil in the chest for everyone to use and we're offering gardening advice to anyone who wants it. However, most people dont show a real intrest in that content - they do however show an intrest in stuff like minions, that require certain plants you only get from crossbreeding. So I sit down, gather the seeds, gather the soil (with the hlep of a few other leading members), I figure out the most effective way to crossbreed this stuff, we take care of the plants... and put the fruits into the FC-chest for everyone to use.
    We've built airships and submarines exactly the same way and for the same purpose - making sure that everyone eventually gets what they desire from the voyages. When we get a new member, the first thing we do is check if they have a Zuu-mount and if they dont, we send out our airships to get them one.
    Each time one of my retainers brings back a minion that I already have, I can tell with 90% certantiy which one of our members doesnt has it yet and before I sell it, I send it to them. I'm still sending out my botanist and miner retainer to get their special-pets, because I know some people are missing them - and nothing gives me greater joy than sending those little guys to someone I've barely spoken to and see them running around with their new pet a day later.

    I dont know how you think about what makes "a leader", but if its anything other than thinking of yourself as a servant to your community, it wont work. You're not their boss or military captain or priest (...you mentioned being religious in your OP - if that is something you want as some corner-stone for your FC, make sure you advertise as such before hand so that non-religious people can stay away right away) - you're only one of them, but you're the one who delays his expert roulette because this sprout needs to do Brayflox for their story and queues as a DPS take for ages, so you jump on your tank or healer and speed up that queue.

    You really need to offer your people more than a "Welcome".
    FC-buffs? Let them handle those themself - they shouldnt have to come to you to beg you to turn on a specific buff. If it gets out of hand, set up a rotation - monday: battle-exp; tuesday: crafting-exp and so on.
    Level up crafters and offer gear to you members - crafted free of charge, maybe asking for mats.
    Throw extra minions, mounts and music scrolls in the chest, free for the taking.
    Offer crafting materials, prisms and dyes in the chest for everyone to use.
    Provide advice and fast queues as tank or healer - make sure your members know that they can always ask you for help, but at the same time stay away and let them do their thing. Personally, when I see any of our members in a queue for longer than 15 minutes, I'll ask what they're queuing for and if they need a hand with that - I main a tank, so queues are most likely instant. Often other members will jump in and offer help aswell.
    You have to keep an eye on everything and the chores that no one wants to do - they're yours, while the gain is shared by everyone. That also means, that you basically have to be online every day.

    No one in this game needs some egomaniac whos leading an FC for their own personal vanity - they need someone can provide help and some sort of community in a lot of different ways.

    I'm not sure you really understood what makes a good FC-leader, because thats what you need to have good and working FC - ask yourself if you're really up for that task and all the things that come with it. You're not going to get to tell people what they're supposed to do or order them around - you're putting yourself in the position to be asked to be ordered around, so to speak.
    You need to be actual help- and useful to your community, for them to stick with you - putting on an FC-buff doesnt cut it.

    To me it seems you totally lack the spirit that makes a great FC-leader - or at least an FC-leader that I would like to have. You're self-centered and focussed on your own gain. You wanna be a leader for the sake of being a leader alone - not because you actually care about your members. So why should they care about you or your FC?
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    Last edited by Vidu; 10-03-2018 at 12:29 AM.

  9. #29
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    Thamorian's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Luna Sol
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    This... This is exactly why I've avoided fcs in the past.
    Hey now, don't lump all FC leaders in with bad ones like Bee_Brain. There are a lot who just want to build a good community that do things together. Good FC's with good leaders tend to become established and stick around a long time in the server.
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  10. #30
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    Thessayn Svisast
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Thamorian View Post
    Hey now, don't lump all FC leaders in with bad ones like Bee_Brain. There are a lot who just want to build a good community that do things together. Good FC's with good leaders tend to become established and stick around a long time in the server.
    Where are they?
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