what is it with these damn elitists in this game?

[Dualgunner]

Full admission I got baited there. I wasn't expecting the stealth edit, but I do thank you for going in depth as to why you feel Savage doesn't work.

It's been going for closer to five years, actually. Just because it wasn't called Savage, coils were on that level of difficulty, with Savage Coil being closer to Ultimate. You would think that if the content conceptually didn't work though, then the entire endgame wouldn't be modelled around it for five years straight. Although I guess this is FFXIV where nothing ever changes ever.

[RiyahArp]

It's been going for closer to five years, actually. Just because it wasn't called Savage, coils were on that level of difficulty, with Savage Coil being closer to Ultimate.

I sort of wonder if we were there, how many people actually did them too. At least there has to be some discussion about it now. I can see a class being so hard that most students fail it or don't enroll. But if it's like this after years, with efforts to make it easier, idk if we can keep blaming the students, if you get my drift. I don't know if MMOs can be that hard and work; most i have done made the hard aspect time, not skill required, with not so much all or nothing in terms of rewards.