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  1. #1
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    YojimboM's Avatar
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    Jack Rose
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    Ultros
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    Monk Lv 100

    Remove the positional ring from Suzaku for her final phase

    Once again it feels as if the dev team has entirely forgotten there is a job in the game that has positionals on every single GCD.

    It is physically impossible to land every positional during the orbs phase, especially in PF groups. Most tanks in PF will just run a full circle around the ring. So, if you're lucky enough that the pattern is in your favor you can find a way to hit some positionals, but you're never going to get all, or even most of them.

    True North is only up every 2 and a half minutes and doesn't even last long enough for most of that phase to get decent use out of it.

    The gimmick simply is not fun and most of the time I give up and don't even try to get positionals. At least in Byakko and Tsukiyomi, you actually COULD get positionals if you played really tightly for the whole fight. In Suzaku it's actually impossible without eating an AOE.
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    Rocond Valnor
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    That might be why they made the DPS check so lenient in the fight then.
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    Niraye Shiron
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    Jenova
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    Miner Lv 80
    i mean a lot of fights hate one job or another. so just focusing one class wont really do much, from what i heard theres one phase that casters cant do anything unless they have instants and all they can do is run. and i feel bad for any blm in byakko.
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    I toe the line between two colours. I'll never run around in a big circle.
    As a tank it lets me keep her facing one direction.
    If you can do the same on the back/flank, you'll have your potencies.
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  5. #5
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocond View Post
    That might be why they made the DPS check so lenient in the fight then.
    That only affects whether certain compositions *can* clear, not whether they're preferred or declined.

    When you disproportionately affect the performance of x jobs... that's significant, regardless of the severity of the content.

    I don't think Suzaku Ex is incredibly melee-disfavoring, or even Monk-disfavoring, but that design excuse is largely... irrelevant.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 09-26-2018 at 08:51 PM. Reason: typo

  6. #6
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    Decayed Corpse
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    I don't think Suzano Ex is incredibly melee-disfavoring, or even Monk-disfavoring, but that design excuse is largely... irrelevant.
    OP is talking about Suzaku, not Susano EX. In which case, they're right. It's very monk-disfavoring, but to be fair that fight destroys a lot of classes (especially MCH)... and no one can do their proper opener until second phase lol
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    Theodore Rosentretter
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Please SE don't modify anything on this fight.
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  8. #8
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    Nora Origo
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    Excalibur
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zomkei View Post
    OP is talking about Suzaku, not Susano EX. In which case, they're right. It's very monk-disfavoring, but to be fair that fight destroys a lot of classes (especially MCH)... and no one can do their proper opener until second phase lol
    the slap in the face to openers in this fight really rubs me the wrong way. it REALLY feels like a slap in the face from devs to just to cut off openers like that. With how opener-centric DPS is in this game, it really unmotivates me to try until 2nd phase.
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  9. #9
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    Markov Dracul
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    Gilgamesh
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    I'd rather they removed positionals period.
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    Hugo Wolf
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Burningskull View Post
    I'd rather they removed positionals period.
    Then the game would become extremely stale and boring for any melee player.
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