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[Niwashi]

I disagree.. he missed EVERYTHING even ingame stuff, so how was SE posed to fix his current issue? THATS what I'm talking about tho. How did he miss it ALL. He missed the text at log in, he missed millions of people talking about it ingame, he missed everything

All the in-game stuff? You mean the entry on a secondary, normally blank tab of a minor unrelated window that's only there for a few days? There is no message about this at login. That's the problem. If you're in that last few days of the timer and enter your house, you'll get a notification message that the timer has been reset and you're no longer in imminent danger of losing the house, but that comes only when you enter it. There hadn't been one before that saying that you were in imminent danger of losing the house. The first (and only) notification the game actually gives you comes when it no longer matters.

The only way to find out before that is hidden in the secondary tab of the timers window, which, since it normally doesn't show anything about house demolition, most players (even those who already know all about the demo rules) won't suspect it would be there. That entry only shows up for a few days and on a page not many people would look at regularly.

The house demolition timer should be there in the timers window all the time. If it's part of the regular UI, then people will have a chance to see that it exists. When someone gets down to the last couple weeks before demolition, there should be more than that, like a notification at login. (A pop up window notification would be nice, but at least add a message about it in the chat box.)

Oh, and "millions of people talking about it ingame"? I don't know who you talk to, but I've certainly never seen anyone talk about it in game. I know about it because it periodically gets talked about here on the forums. But remember that only a tiny proportion of players of any game are active on the forums. (I don't remember the statistic exactly, but I'm pretty sure the percentage was in the single digits.) You can't base your ideas about what's well known by players of a game by what's well known by avid forum participants. Most players either don't use the forums, or only come here occasionally to look for or ask about something specific. (And of course, doing that wouldn't make them familiar with everything else that's being or has ever been discussed.)

[Raskbuck]

If you didn't then the only thing that comes to my mind is if it didn't matter then why does it matter now? It clearly didn't matter the 80 days and it didn't matter the 45 days before that..

Because they lost seasonal event items that can no longer be obtained. I thought that was relatively clear, but apparently it wasn't.

[ko_]

I see your point. You don't see ours at all. We are discussing ui design and you're harping on about OP over and over and over...

We know what happened to OP is very eyebrow raising. OP admitted this himself. No one is saying otherwise. But it does highlight the fact that demolition is more or less a hidden mechanic in the game, and new players would be especially vulnerable to this bad design. But I don't think you care about this at all. You care about showing everyone how stupid you think OP is. The quality of the game just doesn't enter your mind. You want to ridicule someone, not discuss the game.

You see part of it.. but thats on me cause I didn't make it clear enough. This case SE can't fix, putting your playtime in the title was a no go. I'm never goign to go - oh you have 1860 days clearly it's ok for you not to know -insert hot topic here- And because of that I can't see how SE could fix THAT. I don't think they can. Cause it's a user error. Yeah pointing at issues like the timers being hidden is all well and good.. but hear me out. That wasn't the problem. He never entered his house in 45 plus 80 days. If he had we wouldn't be here now would we? And you can tell me - he didn't have time- I dunno if I buy that.. it literally only takes a few seconds to load in and go inside. It just looks like he didn't give a damn until it was already gone. and from that point.. how is SE posed to fix that?

[NekoHina]

Crap in life happens to most all of us and for anyone who has had real life issues come up then you can feel some empathy for the OP. I have also been subbed since the very start and only in the last round of housing was I able to finally get a house. I was not aware that I had to actually physically go into my house when I was subbed and logging in to the game on a regular basis. Thankfully I enjoy decorating or else I might have lost mine as well and I too am a collector of Mogstation and event stuffs. I would be heartbroken if I lost it all.

Why in the world could the GMs not simply roll the OP’s character back to the day of or after the demolition? He (or she) said that he wasn’t as interested in the house as he was in his possessions. He said he wasn’t currently playing to “make progress” in the game. So why not just roll back the character? It would fix most everything. SE doesn’t need to lose good, loyal fans like this. Players who play and support the game simply because they love it.

[Raskbuck]

And you can tell me - he didn't have time- I dunno if I buy that.. it literally only takes a few seconds to load in and go inside. It just looks like he didn't give a damn until it was already gone. and from that point.. how is SE posed to fix that?

Oof. They said they only had time to do a couple of things each day, and the reason they didn't go inside their house is because they didn't know about the demolition...
They did care about it, but they were at a point in their life where it was put in the backburner. Not because they didn't care.

The way you are chastising OP makes me feel you only care about making them look bad at this point.

[Penthea]

You see part of it.. but thats on me cause I didn't make it clear enough. This case SE can't fix

We know...that's partially why we're not talking about only OP anymore. We want the ui improved to help people in the future. The demolition mechanic being unclear helps no one.

Yeah pointing at issues like the timers being hidden is all well and good.. but hear me out. That wasn't the problem. He never entered his house in 45 plus 80 days. If he had we wouldn't be here now would we? And you can tell me - he didn't have time- I dunno if I buy that.. it literally only takes a few seconds to load in and go inside. It just looks like he didn't give a damn until it was already gone. and from that point.. how is SE posed to fix that?

Ah I think I see your actual problem. Your problem isn't that he didn't know about the timer. It's that he had a house and in your eyes he didn't use it enough, and now you think it's selfish of him to complain that it was taken from him.

So now I wonder, are you a player who is bitter that they don't have a house? Or is it that the bitterness from not having one before never quite went away?

[ko_]

Oof. They said they only had time to do a couple of things each day, and the reason they didn't go inside their house is because they didn't know about the demolition...
They did care about it, but they were at a point in their life where it was put in the backburner. Not because they didn't care.

The way you are chastising OP makes me feel you only care about making them look bad at this point.

I dunno man, I can't understand it.. LITERALLY I can't. It's taking alot for me to picture someone willing to brave gettign a house in 4.2 and never entering itt for whatever reason but doing all the events and buying housing items. I'm sorry.. I just can't wrap my head around it. It still makes no sense to me they played for so long and didn't know about the demo timers. It literally doesn't not comute in my head. :c But I'mma bow out cause I don't get it.. it doesn't make sense to me... and to me it just looks like they didn't care. So I'm out. Sorry for the trouble.

[ko_]

We know...that's partially why we're not talking about only OP anymore. We want the ui improved to help people in the future. The demolition mechanic being unclear helps no one.



Ah I think I see your actual problem. Your problem isn't that he didn't know about the timer. It's that he had a house and in your eyes he didn't use it enough, and now you think it's selfish of him to complain that it was taken from him.

So now I wonder, are you a player who is bitter that they don't have a house? Or is it that the bitterness from not having one before never quite went away?

I WAS out until that last statement. Because I literally said this right? I'm not jealous of whatever his hosue was. You looking to start fights? Cause thats how you start fights. I have a house, hell I had one on all my characters. I just deleted them for various reasons. Getting a house is NOT a problem. So before you go and start attaching bs might want to make sure it's within reason. I didn't isult you OR anyone in here. I'm just providing a diferent opinion if you can't handle THAT? maybe you should stop. The reason I pointed that number out was cause 45 days is the timer tyou have before they demo your house. He never enter so his house is demo... and you have 80 days AFTER THAT to get your shit right? He hasn't answered yet, but why not enter or get your stuff if it -MATTERED- at all? It looks like it didn't matter until now and now he wrote about it. And in my opinion if it mattered at all once again.. for the trillion and 6 time... none of this would've happened. Do you see my point now? Or are you just going claim I'm some jealopus kid who can't earn the gil to buy himself a freaking house cause I don't want to read what a person on the other side is saying?

[Penthea]

I WAS out until that last statement. Because I literally said this right? I'm not jealous of whatever his hosue was. You looking to start fights? Cause thats how you start fights.

So before you go and start attaching bs might want to make sure it's within reason. I didn't isult you OR anyone in here. I'm just providing a diferent opinion if you can't handle THAT? maybe you should stop

This is rich coming from someone who is constantly hijacking comments about ui to constantly remind us how OP messed up, how it's all his fault and that you will never be able to see it in any other way despite supposedly agreeing that the housing system isn't clearly defined in the game. Judging from other comments, I'm not the only one who has observed this.

[ko_]

This is rich coming from someone who is constantly hijacking comments about ui to constantly remind us how OP messed up, how it's all his fault and that you will never be able to see it in any other way despite supposedly agreeing that the housing system isn't clearly defined in the game. Judging from other comments, I'm not the only one who has observed this.

I also explained why. but you aren't reading.. you're just looking to insult cause I'm not blindly agreeing with you. I explained why I'm on the stance I'm on. And you keep throwing insults on this and that, saying I'm not reading. When you haven't read shit I said. Cause if you did you wouldn't be throwing insults like some emotional child. Funny how I had decent replies from everyone EVEN THE FREAKING OP HIMSELF yet you is the one throwing insults. Tho you did that to other people i nthe beginning of this thread so shrug. Why ask you to change, not like asking SE to change is any different at this point.