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[ko_]

Did you even read OP's post? He found out there were things about housing he didn't know after he lost his house.

Have you been reading what I been saying this entire time? Do you even know what my point is? Fine since you clearly don't and just want to defend this guy. How did he not know? With 1000 plus days in? When 3 big huge things surrounding housing happened within 3 years? How did he miss people complaining about it EVERYWHERE? He didn't care until it was too late. If he was confused he should've looked it up.. like EVERYONE ELSE. That was my point.

[Skivvy]

I said NOT on day 1 tho. You missed that part. You also missed the part where I said go into a raid talking like you have over 1000 days played NEVER looking at guides and whatnot. You would not be accepted. And EVERYONE i nthat group is going to tell you to read a guide etc etc. Again want proof.. - tales of a dutyfinder - My point being is pointing at SE for a user error is messed up and is the sole reason we can never have anything with teeth cause everyone cries like a baby cause - the game didn't hold my hand- When it shouldn't. You should know enough about games that - sonic doesn't play like mario or crash.- Why? Cause just because one mmo didn't kill your house with a timer does NOT mean they ALL follow the same rules. If you can't find it ingame, ask someone , if they don't know - which EVERYONE knew here- then google it. There was NO excuse for him to NOT know about any of those timers. NOT when people blew up about it like a year ago, and even more before that. Housing has been a HUGE topic in this game since I've been here for what... 2 years and a half years. EVERYONE was talking about it. If you have enough sense to come to the freaking fourms then what is your excuse for not knowing? The info is THERE. Look for it.

No but he pointed his finger at SE which ofcourse people will bandwagon and blame SE when this entire thing is becuase of HIS user error. The onkly point I was and have been making this entire time was if he just had enough sense to google. He'll have his stuff, he'll have everything. Just because you're not told to go outside the game to look things up doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T. Will won't hear anyone say this about anything else in the game.. so why treat this one different... you don't. So if you choose to NOT go outside and learn then what happens to you is your fault cause the info is def out there. SE doesn't need to baby us all the time.

World first clears are a totally valid point and work against your argument of requiring outside knowledge. But even for us plebs who follow at a later date, a particular group can set whatever requirements they wish. Some like to go into fights blind, some require you to watch a video. The point is though, none of it is required by the game itself. These requirements to look up a fight are from players who want to have an easier time of a fight.

Anyway, we're obviously never going to see eye to eye on this. You want to blame the players for missing something that is not obvious in-game, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt they had no knowledge of the situation. Regardless of where the fault lies in this particular situation, even you have agreed that SE could improve upon it. That should be the takeaway of this thread. How can SE improve their shoddy housing demolition notification system?

No one here is crying like a baby over things. I'd say that plenty of valid points and suggestions have been brought up, but it's continually getting buried by those who have some odd refusal to move on from blaming OP.

[Penthea]

Have been reading what I been saying this entire time? Do you even know what my point is?

Yea your point is focusing on OP and putting him down while ignoring the real problem, which is that demolition is a borderline hidden feature in the game. I think you have absolutely no interest in improving anything at all. You seem far more interested in pointing fingers at OP.

and just want to defend this guy.

Well yea because you have this idea that OP is at fault for not being paranoid enough to make sure SE didn't leave out super important things in their ui. No one should have to play like that.

How did he not know? With 1000 plus days in? When 3 big huge things surrounding housing happened within 3 years? How did he miss people complaining about it EVERYWHERE?

I already admitted, as did OP, that this is unusual. But this doesn't excuse that SE practically hide the existence of demolition. This is akin to OP getting blamed for driving the wrong way on an unmarked one-way street. Sure as a driver he could have seen other aspects of traffic to show it was one-way, but it still doesn't excuse the lack of a clearly marked sign.

And that's the problem. With demolition there are no clearly marked signs.

[Vonleo]

This thread is a over glorified "I didn't use my house in time and lost it" type thread....

[SendohJin]

SE sent an email and put a timer on the cooldowns list. That's more than enough, and anything they add on top of that is still going to get another layer of "why didn't they tell me when..." added on. If people are playing so little their house blows up, it doesn't matter what messaging square puts in the game, it'll get missed.

If anything, square needs to reduce the grace period so people start treating housing as what it is: transitory.

having a notification on a page you have to look for is not a notification.

it's not more than enough, it's bad.

[Alleo]

Go into a raid with that logic, play black mage with that logic.. do anything else outside of housing with that logic want watch what happens.

The person that first writes the guide that will help others does not have one themselves and can still clear these things and get every information ingame. Heck I would dare and say that most people just read guides because they dont want to take the time to learn it themselves. (And there is nothing wrong with that because not everyone can do all the maths and calculate the perfect rotation - I suck at maths for example) But lets not pretend that the game would otherwise be unplayable. People can and did beat raids or learn their job without one. The problem is that not reading it up and playing badly does not take something away from the game. It does not delete your armor or any other hard work. So all the informations you get ingame are enough to play it and most of the time its enough to play it quite well, everything else is just for those that want to go beyond that.

Housing demolishing is a basic information, necessary to even own a house for a long time. (Because a lot of people probably do take breaks) Thus it should have all the information ingame. And again the OP has already stated that they dont blame the timer but that it would be better to have more notifications because it can happen to miss it all and because emails can be lost (I never received mine either but thankfully I knew when to get bacK). In the end his biggest problem was the destruction of all his housing items and that should be a No Go.

So yes he is at fault but that does not stop SE from taking part of the blame by not providing a good tutorial ingame and it definetely does not give them a free pass for the destruction of items. And no matter if the OP is at fault or not, this could happen to more people and simple solutions could stop any cases from happening in the future. And by posting their case they maybe have brought some attention to it.

[ko_]

Yea your point is focusing on OP and putting him down while ignoring the real problem, which is that demolition is a borderline hidden feature in the game. I think you have absolutely no interest in improving anything at all. You seem far more interested in pointing fingers at OP.



Well yea because you have this idea that OP is at fault for not being paranoid enough to make sure SE didn't leave out super important things in their ui. No one should have to play like that.



I already admitted, as did OP, that this is unusual. But this doesn't excuse that SE practically hide the existence of demolition. This is akin to OP getting blamed for driving the wrong way on an unmarked one-way street. Sure as a driver he could have seen other aspects of traffic to show it was one-way, but it still doesn't excuse the lack of a clearly marked sign.

And that's the problem. With demolition there are no clearly marked signs.

He's still at fault. Everyone else knew. You mean to tell me everyone is wrong then? We all have our house and items. :/ Yeah SE messed up by providing a faulty system. NOONE is saying they didn't. But to turn a blind eye to the person who been here since day 1? I don't even want to hear the excuse - I didn't have a computer so I can't use google at the same time as I play- cause I don't. No computer.. only a baby PS4 and look what I'm doing. ON THE FORUMS, typing on controller and playing the game. So I don't see an excuse. He shouldn't put his game time in the title.. cause anyone who reads that and questions " Dude.. how did you miss this? " Is going to think that. And they are going to go " you should've paid attention." Cause he should've. The system SE made is already in effect so with that in mind.. he should've googled. I'm NEVER going to not think that way.

[Penthea]

He's still at fault. Everyone else knew. You mean to tell me everyone is wrong then? We all have our house and items. :/ Yeah SE messed up by providing a faulty system. NOONE is saying they didn't. But to turn a blind eye to the person who been here since day 1? I don't even want to hear the excuse - I didn't have a computer so I can't use google at the same time as I play- cause I don't. No computer.. only a baby PS4 and look what I'm doing. ON THE FORUMS, typing on controller and playing the game. So I don't see an excuse. He shouldn't put his game time in the title.. cause anyone who reads that and questions " Dude.. how did you miss this? " Is going to think that. And they are going to go " you should've paid attention." Cause he should've. The system SE made is already in effect so with that in mind.. he should've googled. I'm NEVER going to not think that way.

You seem to be irrationally angry at OP. Even when you are agreeing that SE messed up you are coming across as ragey.

[Fhaerron]

I think we can all agree on that the house demolition timer can be added to the huge list with QOL improvements.

/end thread.

[ko_]

You seem to be irrationally angry at OP. Even when you are agreeing that SE messed up you are coming across as ragey.

It's how all you guys comes accross at SE. :/ I'm not mad or anything. I'm just expressive? Maybe? I dunno. I don't know op, matter of fact he seems like a chill guy. We had a funny exchange a few pages ago about deleted post. pure lol stuff. I just don't want to fully blame SE for a user error. I'm also not fully blamingg OP. But I believe 90% of the blame is his to bare. I think this is where we disagree on. But I laid my points out there. That's my opinion on it. It's just where I stand. And hopefully thats where -Allstate- stands.