This Needs to Be Said

[BillyKaplan]

Sastasha, Copperbell and Tam-Tara actually all have the chance to give you pretty decent accessories. But not only the chests are out of the way, but there's also a very high chance to get potions of ethers out of them instead. And nowadays they're completely redundant because all new charas start with the new worn out accessories. So these things arguably used to have value, but it's a mix of it becoming trash too quickly and nobody picking it up in the first place that NOW they're really not worth the hassle.

[Solarra]

I just logged onto Reddit and saw a thread from someone who has all 15 Pagos weapons. Here's some of what they had to say...

I enjoyed the grind in pagos way too much and was able to catch up on anime

(my italics)

...Just let muscle memory take control and look at the screen every 40ish secs when doing dragons. Otherwise, mainly watched anime and tv series to pass the time...

Ok, I know some people love grinding and huge respect to that person for putting the time in to get every weapon. I don't want to disparage their achievement at all, but...
That's it? That's what we get? Content so engaging that not only can you watch something else while you do it but you probably need to do that, in order to stave off the boredom. Says it all.

[Alleo]

I didn't say it was well liked... by the people who were there at least. Ya girl wasn't there and hasn't even set foot in Pagos.

Yet you stated how the OP was wrong that people hated Diadem. But if they needed a second version and that failed fast and they even talked about taking Diadem out of the game, that really sounds like a lot of people or even the majority greatly disliked or maybe even hated it. So I honestly see nothing wrong with her statement.

Um, there was no pre-existing (added this..) vocal dislike of the content. Pagos is disliked more because they made it a lot harder for people by seriously hampering the fate train in response how it trivialized the content. Most of the dislike really came with Pagos, which was an overreaction to anemos, possibly because Se listened too much to voices who disliked people leeching their way to relics. Diadem wasn't disliked for itself, but for design decisions about rewards like randomized stats and the 72 man battles. I mean, this was more or less experimental content to vary how people obtain relics.

There were quite some discussions about what is wrong with Diadem and thats why they even tried for a second version that was even more disliked (here in the forum and ingame by being death in a couple of days). Also there was a 100 pages thread about Anemos with lots of people that disliked it and even those that liked it had often quite some points that they would have liked to be better. (The JP playerbase also greatly disliked Anemos, they highest amounts of likes were for post against it, some of them even calling it dirt) Now with Pagos you have even people that still somewhat enjoyed Anemos to dislike it but lets not forget that the complains started way earlier than that and that people had enough problems with content like Diadem too. (And lots of good ideas how to make it better which were completely ignored for a Diadem 2.0 that hat fates and the AFK wait for one random EM that randomly dropped someone a high level weapon. The weapon alone was not the only problem of this but just the tip of the iceberg)

[Xau]

Sastasha, Copperbell and Tam-Tara actually all have the chance to give you pretty decent accessories. But not only the chests are out of the way, but there's also a very high chance to get potions of ethers out of them instead. And nowadays they're completely redundant because all new charas start with the new worn out accessories. So these things arguably used to have value, but it's a mix of it becoming trash too quickly and nobody picking it up in the first place that NOW they're really not worth the hassle.

they dropped accesories?, i never see those side chests drop any gear at all, and i was here since 2.0. the only chest i remember what actually gave accesories was from brayflox final chest before the final boss

edit: checked garland tools, you are somewhat right, some of those chest did gave gear, on shastasha some of the chest what gave gear where out of their way, tamtara ones didnt, but they where behind optional mobs, and coperbelt ones they where prety much in the linear path whit the exception of 2 chests what literally only gave potions

still, those gear was't worth the strugle for like a few reasons

1) the level of the gear was so low what could get outdated fast, and so crafted gear/brought gear from npc could be generally a better option at those levels
2) pink gear, so it can be outright trash gear because of the random stats
3) is worse what you can get out of bosses(those chest not only drop accesories, but armor as well, bosses on those dungeons do not give accesories, right, but they drop armor, why bother to get something what will get outdated inmediately once you get a boss piece?

to make it worth to go after a chest, what it gives should be either equal to boss gear or better, or even better, they could just straight remove chest from bosses(since we get already a reward, tomes) and just place them around the whole dungeon

[Deceptus]

My view of this whole situation is basically this.

Ok you want to follow this “vision” of gameplay with diadem, anemos/pagos/pyros/blablabla fine, keep it there for those that like this kind of content, but don’t put the relic behind it!!

Without a major, game defining carrot behind it this content can't stand on it's own. Just like the two iterations before it.

I just logged onto Reddit and saw a thread from someone who has all 15 Pagos weapons. Here's some of what they had to say...

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Ok, I know some people love grinding and huge respect to that person for putting the time in to get every weapon. I don't want to disparage their achievement at all, but...
That's it? That's what we get? Content so engaging that not only can you watch something else while you do it but you probably need to do that, in order to stave off the boredom. Says it all.

Despite the fact he/she admitted to exploiting the sytem:

And when I couldn't get a dragon party I would go to the lvl 20 bunny fate and pull 3 yarzons, get them down to about 15% life and use Contre to kill all 3 at once and then immediatley click my levelsync macro, so I could get a chain and have a chance at bright to newborn star light (depending on chain.) But theres also times where I would go like 150 mobs without getting light and there were also times where I would get like 4 bars in 40mins cuz of lucky rng.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I just logged onto Reddit and saw a thread from someone who has all 15 Pagos weapons. Here's some of what they had to say...
(my italics)

Ok, I know some people love grinding and huge respect to that person for putting the time in to get every weapon. I don't want to disparage their achievement at all, but...
That's it? That's what we get? Content so engaging that not only can you watch something else while you do it but you probably need to do that, in order to stave off the boredom. Says it all.

There's people doing that with most content on this game, besides Savage. That speaks more of the playerbase than the content itself. Why not logout and just watch anime instead of doing both? Because the content is engaging enough but they just don't want to bother giving it their full attention.

[Solarra]

Without a major, game defining carrot behind it this content can't stand on it's own. Just like the two iterations before it.

Agreed

Re: the Reddit post I mentioned earlier

Despite the fact he/she admitted to exploiting the sytem:

I didn't read much more than I quoted so I missed that. My point was that even someone who enjoyed Pagos and played it a lot was basically watching Anime etc, to entertain themselves while they were there.
150 mobs and no light, even when doing something questionable... certainly doesn't make me want to get back in there and give it another chance.


@JohnSpawnVFX
I'm on PS4 and usually don't have a computer nearby. I know there are some people that do play and watch Netflix at the same time, but for me the content has to be engaging enough to take my full attention. We are paying for this. Eureka was meant to be a major part of this expansion. If you need a distraction from content while you are playing it, then in my opinion, something is very, very wrong.

[KaivaC]

When reading this, what comes to my mind is the Achievement pop-up you have when you zone, and I tend to ignore it every time

Sorry about the late response. But no those popups can be obtrusive sometimes. I'm sure a lot of players did see the system message in the chat box about the upcoming maintenance. If players ignore it, then that's another thing. But really, a system message is all you'd really need to say, hey, we're trying to be more open.

[Kazgrel]

I said adios to Pagos after crawling my way through and finishing a second weapon there. I'd love to get the rest done one day, but no way with how it is right now...waaaaay too much other stuff to do in game that's more fun, to put it nicely.

[Kurando]

I can imagine there being a dip in Pagos players come next patch, after all we'll have a ton of new content and the Eureka weapon will be underpowered somewhat at 370 compared to all the new tomestones and raiding gear that'll be available. Perhaps if Pagos gets some more adjustments people may go in more, otherwise they could just wait it out till the last Eureka area drops, who knows.