Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[OurMom]

Give good advice.

I 100% agree with you and yes it's wrong to call you an idiot without them explaining why and or how.

However in this case, I explained nicely and completely understood why someone would logically use cure 2 instead of cure. Especially since that's how it works in other mmos, which is why I told them "I get how that can be confusing but it doesn't work that way here for some reason" yadda yadda.

If someone making honest normal mistakes (or even stupid ones honestly) I always nicely explain and tell them they can ask me questions. Or ask me to adjust tanking until they get the hang of it.

[Kleeya]

Personnal top 3 of things that gets me tired when chaining 21-30 Hoh floors for xp as a healer :

- players that dont wait for protect at the beginning, because having more defense seems to be a bad thing ;

- players who happily run everywhere in the middle of the rooms while engaging mobs, taking damage from them and at the same time not knowing when an explosive trap will detonate under their feet and take 80% of their (and their neighbours) hp ;

- having to use swiftcast to finally cast protect with success on the fleeing players of the first point, to see them dying 15 seconds later in the middle of a room on an explosive trap like in the second point, and having to hardcast raise on them during 7 long seconds because swiftcast is still on cooldown.

[Jonnykit]

I'd like address the toxic player mentality out there where people feel the need to tell others how to play the game. I've been playing Machinist for the past week now and I'm currently at level 62. I haven't entirely gotten the mechanics down yet and will probably never be really good at it for say Savage content which I don't do because I know I'm not good enough to do it on any job. I main BLM and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. But, I would never tell anyone else how to play BLM cause I know that I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me. Now, today I am playing in Sirensong Sea and this happens:

Healer: Use Spread Shot
Me: its too weak
Healer: your're 50+ and you say that?
Me: yeah, I haven't mastered this job yet
Healer: you know that aoe skills potency is applied by the amounts of targets they hit
Me: I prefer single target and let bishop do the AoE
Healer: then you're bad
Me: I'm still learning
Healer: as you're stupid enough to argue with a fact
Me: so f*** you
Healer: go
Healer: you'd love to

now we start on the first boss and I'm slowly dying from mechanics I can't dodge until i finally drop dead

Me: So I guess no heals for me then
Healer: I don't reward bad behaviour
Healer: remember "f*** you" that was smart
Healer: ......sure
me: cause someone was being a d*** about me not using spread shot
healer: today is the best day
me: I said i'm a master of this job yet (meant to put "not a master" but I too frustrated to notice it)
me: so let me do it how i know how at the moment
healer: i don't care
me: then f***ing drop from this dungeon then
Healer: do it
Tank (healer's fellow FC member): you first
me: I ain't waiting another 20 minutes
healer: thats not my problem
healer: "f*** you" remember.. you directed that at me
me: yes f*** you, f*** you, f*** you
me: oh and f*** you

As you can tell I'm no longer capable logical thinking and resorting to saying whatever pops in my head

Healer: you coming or should we continue without you?
Tank: what would the difference be?
me: if you ain't healing why should i

after that I just stop typing and just try to get thru the dungeon. Some of you already know whats gonna happen now. so no more chatting and we just keep going all the way past the wraith in front of the final boss then boom. Black screen and I'm back in Ishgard. I immediately filed a harassment report for violation of Vote Dismiss and give the short version. I admit wrongdoing on my part but these people have to realize their mistakes as well. I'd like to hear what you guys think. I'm just glad we weren't on the same server.

[OurMom]

I'd like to hear what you guys think.

I think it started off sorta fine honestly, the only class I know that can pull off single targeting in a pack (to an extent) is a monk. "Use spread shot" is kinda cold imo but then they explained why you should use it.

Are you not able to practice your rotation on a dummy? Or in potd where people go to practice stuff/don't care?

I completely get not being a master of something but that doesn't excuse going in dungeons and going "I don't know how" for something simple like aoeing.

[NessaWyvern]

Healer: Use Spread Shot
Me: its too weak
Healer: your're 50+ and you say that?
Me: yeah, I haven't mastered this job yet
Healer: you know that aoe skills potency is applied by the amounts of targets they hit
Me: I prefer single target and let bishop do the AoE
Healer: then you're bad
Me: I'm still learning

If you are still learning, then you might want to take the advice of the people who are trying to teach. Yes, the healer was a bit blunt, and got angry quickly, but you are the one that completely dismissed their advice (despite the fact you are still learning) with a "I like it better my way" response. That is a very quick trigger for many people.

I personally don't have a problem with people telling me how to do my job, if they indeed know how to do it better. You should always strive for self-improvement.
Also, swearing at people usually doesn't make them suddenly want to let you have your way. The opposite usually happens.

[Jonnykit]

If you are still learning, then you might want to take the advice of the people who are trying to teach. Yes, the healer was a bit blunt, and got angry quickly, but you are the one that completely dismissed their advice (despite the fact you are still learning) with a "I like it better my way" response. You should always strive for self-improvement. Also, swearing at people usually doesn't make them suddenly want to let you have your way. The opposite usually happens.

I don't mind advice, I do mind being order to do something or feeling like I am. "use spread shot" did not seem like advice to me and I got angry.
Healer: Use Spread Shot
Me: its too weak
Healer: your're 50+ and you say that?
Me: yeah, I haven't mastered this job yet
Healer: you know that aoe skills potency is applied by the amounts of targets they hit
Me: I prefer single target and let bishop do the AoE
Healer: then you're bad
Me: I'm still learning
Healer: as you're stupid enough to argue with a fact

There was no advice given. only the feeling they're saying "are you stupid?!"

Are you not able to practice your rotation on a dummy? Or in potd where people go to practice stuff/don't care?

I completely get not being a master of something but that doesn't excuse going in dungeons and going "I don't know how" for something simple like aoeing.

I do practice on dummies. potd seems dead atm with slightly long ques times and everyone is speedrunning through them. It hard to get any better in there atm it seems to me. So the only place I feel I can truly see what works and doesn't is by doing dungeon runs. I honestly believed that using spread shot would not yield better results on 3 targets or less than single target focusing.

[Lilseph]

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But the advice was telling you that the total potency is based on the amount of targets. They explained how AoE works, then you decided to stick with "your gameplay", even though you're in a learning phase. This means that some advice will be helpful for you to learn the job, not sticking with "what you know" and remain there. AoE works the same way for most jobs. Yes, it may be 100 potency (For example), but mutiply that by the amount of targets (say 8 for instance) and you'll have 800 potency PER GCD. That's crazy! This without taking into account the offgcds you'll be throwing in between.

Even if it's an order or something, I don't see why it would offend you. You're overlooking a skill that would be beneficial for big pulls. I'll agree that calling you like that was uncalled for, but you're not innocent here. Both sides were equally toxic as your reaction was also inappropiate.

EDIT:

It's worth mentioning that you insulting them and filling a report may backfire. XIV's staff has a record track for banning people that throw the "F" bomb among other lesser (and worse) things. They CAN actually report YOU instead.

[SenorPatty]

@Jonnykit

Lessee here:

-You spewed profanity at your party members
-You tried to coerce them to kick you from the dgn because you were having playstyle differences
-You got what you wished for, just not when it was convienient for you

Did I miss anything?

[Frizze]

If someone making honest normal mistakes (or even stupid ones honestly) I always nicely explain and tell them they can ask me questions. Or ask me to adjust tanking until they get the hang of it.

I wasnt really just saying "give good advice", i was saying that the way you word your advice can affect the way people take it. The nicest advice in the world can come off as an attack if you think youre about to be attacked, so the person hearing the advice matters too. I also said that some people are incapable of admitting wrong, and for all we know hes one of 'em(or maybe hes like me, and hes going to research what you said and find out for himself what the truth is - that being, what you told him).

I'd like address the toxic player mentality out there where people feel the need to tell others how to play the game. I've been playing Machinist for the past week now and I'm currently at level 62. I haven't entirely gotten the mechanics down yet and will probably never be really good at it for say Savage content which I don't do because I know I'm not good enough to do it on any job. I main BLM and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. But, I would never tell anyone else how to play BLM cause I know that I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me. Now, today I am playing in Sirensong Sea and this happens:
*cuts bulk of story for space*
Black screen and I'm back in Ishgard. I immediately filed a harassment report for violation of Vote Dismiss and give the short version. I admit wrongdoing on my part but these people have to realize their mistakes as well. I'd like to hear what you guys think. I'm just glad we weren't on the same server.

My first thought? That escalated quickly. Lets get a disclaimer out of the way: I dont agree that telling someone else how to play is automatically toxic. Very few skills in this game are ever taught properly to players by the game itself. The way that abilities are named and worded often leads to people not understanding how they are intended to be used. And on top of that, some skills and traits work together in ways that arent apparent at first glance. Put that together, and youve got a combat system that can easily be confusing to some players. Helping someone who doesnt get all these nuances understand how to really make their class work is actually the opposite of toxic. But when you try to give good advice in a bad way, then things go downhill. Explaining how potencies are calculated in a multi-mob fight and that aoe is better is helpful. Telling someone "Git gud you suk" is toxic. It all goes back to the point i was trying to make with OurMom. /disclaimer

The healer was right that your aoe attacks are usually the better way to go on a multi-mob encounter(im not even remotely someone that should give MCH advice as i havent unlocked it, but most classes should swap to aoe skills at 3 or 4 targets). But he was very blunt about it, a little condescending, and resorted to insults rather quickly. Not at all the way to give advice. Also a little childish to stop healing you after you told him off, though predictable. That doesnt make you right either. As you said, youve only been playing the class for a week or two. That means that you should still be learning and open to advice. Having gotten from 30 to 62 in that little time tells me you mostly likely either you spent a lot of time in PotD or you jumped. Neither of which are good for exposing players to the way their class is supposed to be played. Signing up for a real dungeon(and a high-level one at that) says on some level that you believe you are prepared to play that dungeon with those other players both from a class experience perspective and from a properly geared perspective. If you havent taken the time to learn the difference in how your class handles aoe and single target fights, then you werent prepared. And honestly, someone who has taken another class to 70 should probly already know that.

With that said, nothing about what happened needs to stop you from learning the ins and outs of MCH play. A mistake from yesterday is a learning experience for tomorrow.

Did I miss anything?

So you missed a couple things. First, the other guy called him stupid before any of that went down. And secondly, he was telling the healer to quit if he wasnt going to heal. Thats not the same as asking for a kick. Swearing at the other guy was never going to lead to a positive outcome though.

[Penthea]

Healer: Use Spread Shot
Me: its too weak
Healer: your're 50+ and you say that?
Me: yeah, I haven't mastered this job yet

I'd like to hear what you guys think. I'm just glad we weren't on the same server.

Just want to chime in and say "you're 50+ and you say that?" is a pretty snide remark. There are better ways of offering advice without demeaning the short time a person has had to experience a class. It's all fine and well to tell this person "but they gave you advice" but the truth is they did so with some measure of arrogance. Whether the advice was solid or not doesn't excuse the poor attitude.