Are dwarves the new race for 5.0?

[Atlas-04]

Never saw that concept art for the child like Viera before...

GIVE ME! Put both in.

[SannaR]

Never saw that concept art for the child like Viera before...

GIVE ME! Put both in.

Yeah that last doesn't shout adult viera who are short but if they went about unleashing viera children. The adorableness is probably why we don't have them as a race yet because then they'd take over the cuteness spot light that lil cat girls are currently hogging. Also most of those other concept art is of the au ra.

[Lauront]

Yeah that last doesn't shout adult viera who are short but if they went about unleashing viera children. The adorableness is probably why we don't have them as a race yet because then they'd take over the cuteness spot light that lil cat girls are currently hogging. Also most of those other concept art is of the au ra.

Half of it is Viera, hence I said begin from the middle, but I agree, those are probably children. Nonetheless, they could, if they so wanted, split the race along such lines, with a design emulating that for the smaller one.

I just want the option for a tall male Viera regardless - not interested in a midget or a concept reversal of au ra being executed on them.

[alimdia]

I just want the option for a tall male Viera regardless - not interested in a midget or a concept reversal of au ra being executed on them.

I think the 'tall male short female' thing has been played too much here, literally every race but lalafell played the tall male short female thing.

[SannaR]

Half of it is Viera, hence I said begin from the middle, but I agree, those are probably children. Nonetheless, they could, if they so wanted, split the race along such lines, with a design emulating that for the smaller one.

I just want the option for a tall male Viera regardless - not interested in a midget or a concept reversal of au ra being executed on them.

Let me guess you didn't like that part of XII where you find out that there are male Viera but they're shorter and were like male mithra in XI where they played the role most women do? Or do you just not like short men? As someone else pointed out all but two races already have what you're looking for unless you're that into rabbits. Just trying to understand why you want Amazonian rabbit dudes.

[jameseoakes]

Let me guess you didn't like that part of XII where you find out that there are male Viera but they're shorter and were like male mithra in XI where they played the role most women do? Or do you just not like short men? As someone else pointed out all but two races already have what you're looking for unless you're that into rabbits. Just trying to understand why you want Amazonian rabbit dudes.

That was in 12? I don't remember any male Viera models.

[Lauront]

Let me guess you didn't like that part of XII where you find out that there are male Viera but they're shorter and were like male mithra in XI where they played the role most women do? Or do you just not like short men? As someone else pointed out all but two races already have what you're looking for unless you're that into rabbits. Just trying to understand why you want Amazonian rabbit dudes.

I don't like them from an aesthetic standpoint. There isn't much more to it than that - much like people playing tiny catgirls or lizard girls are just playing what they prefer. I do not want small bunny men. If they are small, I won't play them. Simple as. There's already catboys in a matriarchal society who can be made quite small, so it's not filling a new niche, anyway.

Of course, they can circumvent that by making a taller and shorter variant of the race. The concept art shows they were not planning on making the males particularly small, anyway, and any inspiration drawn from XII will be limited, as the race will require adjustments to fit into FFXIV, so for example they won't get high heel feet as it will cause havoc with footwear.

Female Viera being taller than males wouldnt necessarily mean that they're short though?
I suppose a few people have been asking for an extra gender dimorphism when it comes to height, like we see in the Au Ra.

But we have height-differences in almost all races (except lalafell, I guess). And female elezen and Roegadyn are still pretty tall, yet still not as tall as males.

So, out of curiosity... are you only opposed to something as extreme as the Au Ra or the general concept of females being taller? If you could play as a male Viera with a max-height of 1,9m (ears not included) and the females max height would be 2,1m - would that still bother you? Your Viera wouldnt be a midget, just not as tall as the Viera girls around.

I apologise if I've missed the answer to that - I'm to tired to read through the whole thread right now, but I got curious about whats your actual issue here: The idea of not-so-tall males or of not-as-tall-as-the-girls males.

My issue would be making the dimorphism as pronounced as it is with Au ra. I am not even that fond of it within Au ra, but in their case it could have been resolved by just making the slider much broader for females, e.g. 150-185. I also would have liked more differentiation between Xaela and Raen, e.g. maybe more strongly Voidsent influenced features for Xaela, like some of the concept art, but that boat has sailed. The entire rationale behind the two racial variants used to be that one had slight magic stat bonuses and the other melee, but they rid of that, and I think it's a waste to just reduce the differences to be nothing but colouration. A very minor embellishment. If they're adding two races, though, I'd overlook it.

If they had a good reason as to why female Viera are taller, and still allowed for reasonably tall Viera males, it would not bother me.

[Vidu]

If they had a good reason as to why female Viera are taller, and still allowed for reasonably tall Viera males, it would not bother me.

...okay, sorry, this is still troubling me - why would they need "a good reason" to make females taller? Why would they need any reason except an artits going "You know what? That could be intresting for a change!"
I cant remember them ever presenting any reason why there is such an extrem dimorphism in Au Ra - or a reason why male Roes are more buff than females. Or why Hyur-girls arent as tall as the guys.
Sure, its what we're used to from the real world, but seeing how this isnt the real world... I dont see why there would be a need to explain why the females of a certain race are taller than the males.

[Lauront]

...okay, sorry, this is still troubling me - why would they need "a good reason" to make females taller? Why would they need any reason except an artits going "You know what? That could be intresting for a change!"
I cant remember them ever presenting any reason why there is such an extrem dimorphism in Au Ra - or a reason why male Roes are more buff than females. Or why Hyur-girls arent as tall as the guys.
Sure, its what we're used to from the real world, but seeing how this isnt the real world... I dont see why there would be a need to explain why the females of a certain race are taller than the males.

Again, I don't like the dimorphism with the Au ra. Hyur females are noticeably smaller than the males - same with everything but lalafell. The difference is one of degree and in the Au Ra's case I think it just looks stupid and puts me off playing a female one.

Nor is it unreasonable to ask them to justify something that is against the norm for the vast majority of mammalian species. That is what makes for good fantasy - explaining through the lore why a race exhibits certain traits, rather than just leaving it to pure artistic caprice. They don't have to but it's a damn shame for them not to use the opportunity to do so.

At least with the older iterations of the Drow, in the Forgotten Realms, the writers went to pains to provide a plausible reason as to why the females flipped the size differential.

tbf, the extreme dimorphism with no reason in Au Ra is not something they should repeat again because it was blatant pandering for the sake of pandering. Plus, it really made no sense thematically for Xaela, a warring, nomadic people, to have super tiny uwu women imo.

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Regardless, in the real world male rabbits are slightly smaller than female rabbits. Realism go. Tall girls forever.

Agreed, but on the last point, we're not talking about rabbits but humanoids with some rabbit features. So it's a different set of evolutionary pressures. As I said, if the developer team can come up with a good/interesting reason as to why they differ in that direction and incorporate them, fine. If not, I'm likelier than not to gloss over them, anyway. I'm not obliged to like what they include or how they include it.

[Rymm]

If they had a good reason as to why female Viera are taller, and still allowed for reasonably tall Viera males, it would not bother me.

Females are larger because back when the race first evolved they had to fight off unknown males to keep them from eating their offspring.

Tada- a "good reason."