Are dwarves the new race for 5.0?

[Eloah]

Garland aren't Hyurs though, they are a different race entirely. But they are close in proximity to hyurs that reproduction is almost on equal footing. It's like a tiger and a lion mating, they are different breeds of cats, but are close enough to mate; and the offspring aren't sterile.

[TheGrimace]

Rally ho!!!

Lali-ho! I'm a dwarf from a different area!

[Theodric]

The playable races that I'd like to see would be:

- Pureblood Garleans
- Ronso
- Guado

Some of them would require some creative storytelling to justify, though I have faith in the development team. I guess I'd be fine with Viera so long as the men were classically handsome and fairly beefy.

[Lauront]

There is very little appetite for dwarves.

If the rumour mill is correct, we may be seeing Viera (high probability) and Ronso (I'd say medium probability). Viera have been a longstanding request of the playerbase, and SE have confirmed their existence in Hydaelyn through the Ridorana side-quests.

Ronso would fit the bill for the more beast-like race many have been asking for. They also have clearly defined genders, as per FFX, and look good. This is why I think Lupin did not and probably will not make the cut - they're too straightforwardly dog-like, whereas Ronso are lion inspired but not just copy/pastes of lion faces. I've included some links to their concept art in the "spoiler" section of this post.

I would love for the addition of Garlean purebloods, but I think they're better suited as a Hyur subrace or by adding more customisation options for Midlanders and Highlanders.

I sincerely hope that they do not gender-lock any new races. There's been rumours as well that they might make the Viera small, or at least the males small, i.e. the au ra in reverse; I'd rather they just made a big, Elezen type subrace, with tall, lithe males and females, and a smaller one, where both the males and females are short. Some comments on existing responses here -

The playable races that I'd like to see would be:

- Pureblood Garleans
- Ronso
- Guado

Some of them would require some creative storytelling to justify, though I have faith in the development team. I guess I'd be fine with Viera so long as the men were classically handsome and fairly beefy.

Seconded! I'm hopeful that if they do not add a third Hyur subrace, they at least give Midlanders and Highlanders customisation options to see them through.

Nu mou would also be a decent addition for a playable race, but they're obscure.

There has been a person who has been leaking things pretty accurately for several patches and they said that viera will be a new race. Supposedly there will be another race but they did not say what it is because they don't want to spoil the story (I'm mildly amused this person has some standards as to what is and isn't okay to leak). I'm not going to provide any links to this as I doubt the mods would take kindly to that sort of thing being linked on the official forum.

Viera have been mentioned in game in the SB alliance raid storyline, so it has at least been confirmed that they do exist in the story for the game. They were originally intended as a new race in HW, official concept art does exist, but for whatever reason we got au ra instead.

It's also no secret that viera is a highly requested race by players.

So with all this in mind, it seems very likely they will be playable at some point.

Let's put it this way - many people will be very unhappy if a new race is not added, and particularly if Viera are not added.

SE didn't add any races in SB and really did not break the mould in any way. They played it very safe and recycled a lot of content, on a bigger budget - a budget which will no doubt swell further for 5.0. They also have a lot of cut content that they are likely able to develop further for use in 5.0, without it posing as much of a strain as developing a new job or race de novo. As you point out, the leaker's track record is exceedingly good for predictions which are highly specific in nature - so much so I consider it might be SE PR, to generate expansion hype. Unless they're leading us down a rabbit hole (you'll have to forgive that one), I think there's at least a chance that we'll see these new races.

My hypothesis is that it is something the design team came up with to both generate hype and avoid the faux pas that occurred during the 2015 Rising, where Yoshi got in trouble for revealing SAM and RDM.

People are free not to believe it, and the leaker may well be wrong, but I'm less inclined to dismiss it than I was a few months ago.

There's no official source. Just a person saying certain things, those included, with some of what they said previously being correct, suggesting someone that actually knows rather than guesses.

But it may be simply a case of them being very good at guessing and being correct before...but the rest of what they said being wrong.

Nah. They're far too specific to simply guess. There's reasons why future predictions might not materialise but this being pure guesswork is not one. A guess would be: "Yotsuyu is gonna primal it up!" Not that she will specifically become Tsukuyomi, which she did. There's other even more concrete ones, like playable Alphinaud. I encourage you to look at all the leaks and tell me he is still just guessing.

that being said, i think it would be interesting if we got another humanoid race to match hyurs, potentially being garlean and doman. this would be difficult to implement, though-- and doman would serve better as a third 'tribe' option for the races we've seen to have doman counterparts (hyur, roe, etc) instead, if they went that route. but it would make sense for them to add a garlean race of sorts, if they could figure out how to work it out, especially since garleans do have distinct physical differences from eorzean hyurs and hyurs in general (on the taller end, their third eye, etc).

Domans are basically Midlanders for the most part, if not entirely. They just need to add some more customisation options for existing races. Garleans could easily become a third subrace for Hyurs. Their inability to use magic is not absolute; the lorebook clarifies that a few can use it. In-game, Aulus links the reason for not being able to reliably use magic to their genome. SE has a way around this through the Resonance, or a modified form of it, or just stating that your player character is one of those few who can. On a separate note, I am hoping that when they do improve the graphics system, they will introduce the ability to customise not just how toned your character is, but their buffness, within the parameters that make sense for each race.

honestly though, i think they'll come up with something new, more than likely. i suspect either something to complement the likes of elezens and roes, or another animal-like race. i wouldn't be surprised if they did stick to only vieras, but if they are including a second race as well, then i doubt it'll be animal-like to balance out the fact that vieras are bunny folk.

Bear in mind, Viera have very subtle bestial features, much like Miqo'te or Au ra. Ronso are more full on. For comparison, here is the concept art SE developed for Viera, and then the Ronso:

Scroll to the middle of this for the Viera - https://imgur.com/a/FchEw


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Garland aren't Hyurs though, they are a different race entirely. But they are close in proximity to hyurs that reproduction is almost on equal footing. It's like a tiger and a lion mating, they are different breeds of cats, but are close enough to mate; and the offspring aren't sterile.

I mean, the same could be said of Midlanders and Highlanders. It's true that Garlean Purebloods are further apart, but there's nothing to suggest they're not a Hyur subrace. Not yet, anyway.

[CrystalRainbow]

I would prefer more jobs vs a race. I picked my race at the beginning and never changed. Nor would I. I know a lot changed when you added. Some changed back... and you want to sell the Mog station item.

If it's a difference between a new Race or 3 jobs or more engaging content I will take the later.

[NessaWyvern]

There has been a person who has been leaking things pretty accurately for several patches and they said that viera will be a new race. Supposedly there will be another race but they did not say what it is because they don't want to spoil the story

Well, considering that he said it might ruin the story, and the story is currently about Garlean things, and FFXIV likes to recycle things.... It's probably a Garlean rebel race. I hope I am wrong though.

[Lauront]

I would prefer more jobs vs a race. I picked my race at the beginning and never changed. Nor would I. I know a lot changed when you added. Some changed back... and you want to sell the Mog station item.

If it's a difference between a new Race or 3 jobs or more engaging content I will take the later.

I'd like to see them push themselves and do all the above. Especially if we're not getting any graphics updates until 6.0 or the PS5, whichever comes first, anyway. They're not lacking for money and the game is highly profitable - it is more a case of how much SE decides to allocate to it. Yoshi-P is higher up than he was before, so I am hoping he secures a nice budget increase for the game, to let the development team add more features. I'd like innovation with regards to the content and its delivery, and as importantly for me, the battle system, but I think that their current approach is more so the result of playing it safe (I.e. risk appetite) than budget constraints, so it is a change in mentality which is required. Anyway, my post is veering off topic, so I will stop there.

[SenorPatty]

Meanwhile in the "I want Bangaa" corner...

[Alien_Gamer]

I dearly hope they don't do lupin, ronso or any other "bestial" race that has a face thats not human. Its not that I disapprove of those races but when I look at the complete absence of facial animations for the bestial races, I shudder to think what that would be like to play. Its so horrible watching the kojin, dragons, lupin or any other race speak and see that immobile mouth just sitting there. Its so disconcerting to watch.

Given how prominent some of those races were and they decided not to do ANY form of animation, it doesn't instill hope that they'll do a decent job with a new race.

[Lauront]

And that is where Ronso differ. Have a look at their concept art from FFX.

There's also the Nu mou from XII and the Aegyl, but each brings with it challenges which the Ronso do not.

Otherwise, I agree with you. Lupin, in particular, would require a complete overhaul to fit into the role of a playable race, especially given the lack of any sexual dimorphism and also the issues you mentioned. I don't think it'll happen.

Where I disagree is that they could not do a better job with a race which was playable. They'd have good reason to invest more resources into it than beast tribe races, which are purely there for quest purposes, and therefore require more minimal resource expenditure.