So, how is Pagos?

[Kallera]

I stand in awe at the number of people unwilling to simply dismiss Eureka as trash. It's always a "it's bad but I hope," or "maybe some day" when it really should be an uncompromising "directly contradicts the impetus for A Realm Reborn."

You don't "Reborn" content by bringing back designs superceded a decade past.

I think the problem is that the way the game is designed only exacerbates the pitfall experienced in both versions of gameplay. we are being asked to chain grind monsters without the socializing, for a reward that is outdated with easier efforts, and a reward that doesn't do anything impressive or grant anything other than look pretty. Is it worth busting your hands for a glowy weapon that is of limited effectiveness?

[van_arn]

I think the problem is that the way the game is designed only exacerbates the pitfall experienced in both versions of gameplay. we are being asked to chain grind monsters without the socializing, for a reward that is outdated with easier efforts, and a reward that doesn't do anything impressive or grant anything other than look pretty. Is it worth busting your hands for a glowy weapon that is of limited effectiveness?

"At odds with the design of the combat and socializing systems" is a longer way of saying trash. Even if the reward was second to none, it would still be trash content at odds with the combat and socializing systems in this particular game.

This isn't even bringing in the garbage with antiquated systems that were replaced years ago for ironclad reasons to *not* do things the way they were done before.

[Airget]

Eureka at it's core missed the point as to what players wanted, they didn't want an extension to the relic grind aka having to level in a unique zone to reach the point to grind for relic, they wanted a challenge. Eureka's 2 stages have none of this, it's just a zerg.

When you think about it, 2.X's starting relic had it right, unique encounters, that were challenging for the time, Mantictore and hydra 8-man content but then they rolled back and made it grinding content for the sake of grinding.

Relic should feel like something that is earned and takes time but there should be some challenge to it, a challenge that makes players better. not quite Savage level but maybe closer to Extreme Primal content with other options to achieve relic. Relic only having one path of achievement also hurts, if players want to just grind grind grind away, let them have that option but then also provide an option for 4-8, 24 man groups to not only get relic quicker but to also have something they can sink their teeth into.

If SE learns anything from Eureka it should be that relic shouldn't be pure grind, there should be a challenge that goes past spend X hours doing the same thing til you get everything.

[BillyKaplan]

provide an option for 4-8, 24 man groups to not only get relic quicker but to also have something they can sink their teeth into.

We already have it, it's called "Savage".

[Ash_]

I'm genuinely surprised. I seriously thought they would make adjustments this week in preparation for 4.4 next week.

And yet here we are. 3 weeks with no changes. No adjustments. Despite all the promises that they would continue to do so.

I tried the dragon grind last night. It was awful. Not because of the issues being experienced on the NA servers with open hostility. On the JP servers everything is very courteous; if a group already has a spot it's either (a) go find another spot or (b) wait your turn. My issue was the feeble light gain. All the way to a 30 chain, it was feeble of feebleness all the way. Didn't even make half a bar.

[HiroesX81]

Enjoying it so far! it could be better but to me personally it doesnt feel as daunting as previous relics. Hopin in every once in a while doing fate and spawning nms, chaining mobs Im at level 32 with 10 bars of aether filled. Should be 35 by this weekend and then I can rez and cart ppl comfortably while I farm. Havent had any bad experiences thus far!

[Canadane]

What I'm gobsmacked about is how they have said we haven't found the correct way to farm light - yet they refuse to tell us or even give a hint.

SE has done this since XI.
There's no reason for them to start spilling the beans now.

[Ameela]

Honestly a super easy way to fix Pagos is to just let us turn Pagos Crystals into either light or Protean Crystals like Anemos, by the time I finished my first relic I already had another set of 500 and I just thought about how much easier it would have been if they actually had a use outside of the second upgrade step.

[van_arn]

SE has done this since XI.
There's no reason for them to start spilling the beans now.

The reason is A Realm Reborn, and Yoshida overturning the company to cure their Final Fantasy disease.

Eureka stinks of the same hubris that made the original launch so terrible, so much so that I'm beginning to think Yoshida himself has caught it.

[Hyperia]

The reason is A Realm Reborn, and Yoshida overturning the company to cure their Final Fantasy disease.

Eureka stinks of the same hubris that made the original launch so terrible, so much so that I'm beginning to think Yoshida himself has caught it.

Eureka was made by the staff who were brought over from XI so it does make sense that they are not in total sync with XIV. Yoshi is so busy now with everything going on, that he is not able to QA every nuance of the new content and has to trust others. When a problem comes up, he will intervene and then he is off to dealing with other problems. I’m not making excuses, just saying how it is now.