New items on the mog station

[Theodric]

I have no issue with the cosmetic items sold on the Mog Station. Aside from being a very common business practice in the gaming industry at this point, the items are primarily marketed at those with a disposable income. They're luxury products. Nobody needs to purchase them.

[Noodle_Trinidad]

I have no issue with the cosmetic items sold on the Mog Station. Aside from being a very common business practice in the gaming industry at this point, the items are primarily marketed at those with a disposable income. They're luxury products. Nobody needs to purchase them.

Except if you start labeling them as "Luxury Items" you need to start questioning the validity of our Monthly Subscription and why we're even paying for it in the first place if certain items are being paywalled as "Luxury". The only games that should even have items of that nature should be Buy2Play or Free2Play games in which they either are sustained by first time purchases or cash shop purchases, games in which have no steady flow of revenue coming in on a monthly basis. FFXIV is not one of those games as it not only makes money on the base game purchase and expansion purchases but gets money on a monthly basis from people trying to access it in the first place.

It's true that nobody needs to purchase them but at the same time the argument can be made that there is no need to put them on the cash shop to begin with. Edda's outfit? Why not make it a Floor 150+ Reward item that you can possibly get? Sleipnir? Shove him into the Odin FATE as a rare as hell drop or even the Odin Trial. All non-promotional glamours, mounts and emotes? Well you have crafters that can benefit from having more glamour recipes in-game, an achievement based system or other duties in-game that can benefit from adding mounts as incentives and emotes? Add them into side-quests or for things like Teraflare and Power Up could have attached them to SMN/MNK related quests to make them feel more thematic alongside giving incentives for people to branch out to those classes if they haven't. And to finish the list, Event Items should be added back to their Event vendors every year.

Nothing in this game should be paywalled when access to the games and its forum itself are paywalled themselves, or rather to rephrase that Nothing that isn't part of an actual promotion such as the Amazon, 7/11, Fanfest or Physical Rewards should be put up on the Mogshop.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Except if you start labeling them as "Luxury Items" you need to start questioning the validity of our Monthly Subscription and why we're even paying for it in the first place if certain items are being paywalled as "Luxury".

Our monthly sub covers the major patch content releases. With 4.4 on the horizon, this will include:

- MSQ
- Suzaku (Normal and Extreme)
- Alphascape (Normal and Savage)
- Hildabrand (4.45)
- Eureka Pyros (4.45)
- Quality of Life (Minion and Mount search updates)
- Mannequins
- Lost Canals update
- New tomestone and Alphascape gear
- The Burn and Saint Mocianne's Arboretum Hard

Now it's debatable on the quality of this content, but that's what our sub covers. Insinuating because they toss a mount or emote on the Mogstation that our sub loses value is very disingenuous. Do I think they're getting a little carried away? Yes. But they are, indeed, luxury items.

[Noodle_Trinidad]

Now it's debatable on the quality of this content, but that's what our sub covers. Insinuating because they toss a mount or emote on the Mogstation that our sub loses value is very disingenuous. Do I think they're getting a little carried away? Yes. But they are, indeed, luxury items.

Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost. Outside of maybe the Chinese items which are indeed commissioned by the branch maintaining their Chinese builds most of the items are done with the resources allocated to this game by SE which will take into account the Monthly Revenue it makes.

Why are many things that so easily fit in this game as rewards for in-game events, recipes for crafters or incentives for classes constantly being shoved into the Mog Shop? Was it not Yoshida himself who said that the Mog Shop was going to be a way to reintroduce event items, something that I don't agree with in the slighest, so why is it that we have branched into a Cash Shop that is around 380 items large when its only competitor WoW has nothing in that scale after its 14 years in operation? I mean lets go one step further to just further cement the constant F2P tactics that this is going with, The Companion App. What should have been a small helper to part of the playerbase akin to WoW's Companion Apps or Warframe's companion app has easily become one of SE's biggest cashgrabs to date. Limited interactions without Kupo Nuts with 10 being the max on a Premium User still enforcing the need to use more money to have more interactions if you so desired. I think we really need to start asking with the constant addition of non-promotion cash shop items such as emotes or glamours, the Pony itself is fine given it is a Chinese Promotional mount, on top of an App asking for another subscription to get the most out of it without abusing its microtransactions why we even have a Subscription in the first place?

Why are we going to arbitrarily draw a line on "Well with our sub we get "x","y" and "z" " when the subscription based model itself is built to avoid having to go down the Cash Shop route? I mean if you want to make the argument of "Well Square Enix doesn't give enough funds to FFXIV and all the Mogshop money goes back to them" then once again I ask "Why are we a subscription based game then?" if the game is now suffering a financial burden that it has to follow what other Free2Play's suffer where the only money they know their solely getting comes straight from their cash shops?

[Keridwyn]

Was it not Yoshida himself who said that the Mog Shop was going to be a way to reintroduce event items, something that I don't agree with in the slighest...

There are a vast many MMOs that NEVER gave you the opportunity to get old event items. You missed the event, tough nuggets. Would it be nice if we didn't have to buy them on the cash shop and could get them each year in game, sure, but the fact it's provided at all is better than them going the traditional route and keeping it exclusive to the year of it's release. So in this case if you did the event when it was live, you got it free, otherwise...money if you can't live without those missed things.

However, with the release of the $5 dollar snowcone...no. That's an item I believe should have been made a recurring item like the fireworks. I get that its a housing item and it doesn't have to be consumed but...that one I'm gonna agree is unreasonable.

[Yshnal]

There are a vast many MMOs that NEVER gave you the opportunity to get old event items. You missed the event, tough nuggets. Would it be nice if we didn't have to buy them on the cash shop and could get them each year in game, sure, but the fact it's provided at all is better than them going the traditional route and keeping it exclusive to the year of it's release. So in this case if you did the event when it was live, you got it free, otherwise...money if you can't live without those missed things.

However, with the release of the $5 dollar snowcone...no. That's an item I believe should have been made a recurring item like the fireworks. I get that its a housing item and it doesn't have to be consumed but...that one I'm gonna agree is unreasonable.

Actually, and just to clarify (and to remind people), before the Mog Station was introduced you could get past years' event items in-game once said event returned. For gil. That was a way more ethical system for a P2P MMO, especially one that almost died (or died and resurrected, if you like) and that relied on its playerbase's good faith. But that feature was removed once the game was up and running well, with everything that that move implies.

Anyway, greed + people's stupidity leads to what we have now, including the app (and less content, recycled gear, etc.). And things will keep getting worse, because I don't see any change in the players' mentality of "things are fine, it's optional!" Guess what? The whole game is optional, including that nice recycled gear that you "enjoy" now. We warned people since years ago, but whatever. Personally, nowadays I barely care, and I just sub a couple of months per year (and it's becoming less and less) to play a bit with friends.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost. Outside of maybe the Chinese items which are indeed commissioned by the branch maintaining their Chinese builds most of the items are done with the resources allocated to this game by SE which will take into account the Monthly Revenue it makes.

It is when you grossly exaggerate how many things are actually added to the Mogstation. This gets even worse when you claim SE is adopting a F2P policy despite having a sub model. The difference between our cash shop and ones seen in F2P games is staggering. In fact, let's review. Spanning from 4.2 to present day, we have the following new outfits and/or glamour

Tome
Diamond
Ivalice
Swallow's Compass
Quaintrelle's Ruffled Dress / Boulevardier's Ruffled Shirt

In Black Desert, those sets would cost $40. Each. For comparison sake, to purchase that many outfits costs more than six months worth of sub time here. And this does not take into account furniture. That new Mannequin system we're getting? Yeah, you're buying it in a F2P game. Mounts? Every single one of them beyond the basic will typically end up on the cash shop. Which brings me another point. Despite all the complaints, we've actually had only one exclusive mount that hasn't been a Chinese/Korean port: Carbuncle. This also applies to the outfits. Most are overseas ports or cosplays. You can argue the latter, but the devs only ever released them because people wanted to purchase them. That's why, much to many people's annoyance, they aren't dyeable. They're not meant to be rewards.

The only real difference between Heavensward and Stormblood has been more emotes. Regardless, Mogstation isn't even a fraction of what it'd be with a F2P model nor was the subscription ever meant to avoid it. Every MMO, no matter their model has a cash shop. Despite my strong misgivings with how content has been handled of late; my opinions of Eureka are hardly a secret. Let's not pretend we are anywhere near a F2P game, or that our sub fees don't cover a fairly large amount of content.

Anyway, greed + people's stupidity leads to what we have now, including the app (and less content, recycled gear, etc.). And things will keep getting worse, because I don't see any change in the players' mentality of "things are fine, it's optional!" Guess what? The whole game is optional, including that nice recycled gear that you "enjoy" now. We warned people since years ago, but whatever. Personally, nowadays I barely care, and I just sub a couple of months per year (and it's becoming less and less) to play a bit with friends.

You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood. And everything is optional. You cannot get around that no matter how hard you try. If they did put things say, Carbucle in the game. Do you think it'll be handed to you in a run of the mill quest chain? No. They'll lock it in Pagos or MSQ Roulette or any other long grind in the hopes of incentivizing that content. It isn't stupidity if people have extra money they choose to spend on luxuries. Unless you think going out for drinks with friends is equally stupid. You'll spent significantly more on drinks at a bar than if you bought a bottle from a liquor store. How people spend their money is their business, not yours. If you don't think the mounts or dresses are worth it, don't buy them. I don't. There is plenty on the Mogstation I'm not willing to spend money on. So I don't.

[Yshnal]

You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood.

It was not THAT much. The majority of gear was new, including that coming from dungeons, unlike now.

But as I said, I don't really care. I clarify this, but I have better things to do. I discussed about this well enough back in the day, and I know the replies perfectly fine. I wish you the best with the game (No sarcasm, as I hope that people wake up eventually).

[Sigma-Astra]

Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost.

Just because you pay a sub fee, does not mean nor has it ever meant that you're entitled towards everything that's relatable for the game. You're paying your sub fee to have access to PLAY the game, just the game....whatever stuff in the cash shop does not hinder you from doing that essentially and until it actually does, this is just whining.