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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad View Post
    Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost. Outside of maybe the Chinese items which are indeed commissioned by the branch maintaining their Chinese builds most of the items are done with the resources allocated to this game by SE which will take into account the Monthly Revenue it makes.
    It is when you grossly exaggerate how many things are actually added to the Mogstation. This gets even worse when you claim SE is adopting a F2P policy despite having a sub model. The difference between our cash shop and ones seen in F2P games is staggering. In fact, let's review. Spanning from 4.2 to present day, we have the following new outfits and/or glamour

    Tome
    Diamond
    Ivalice
    Swallow's Compass
    Quaintrelle's Ruffled Dress / Boulevardier's Ruffled Shirt

    In Black Desert, those sets would cost $40. Each. For comparison sake, to purchase that many outfits costs more than six months worth of sub time here. And this does not take into account furniture. That new Mannequin system we're getting? Yeah, you're buying it in a F2P game. Mounts? Every single one of them beyond the basic will typically end up on the cash shop. Which brings me another point. Despite all the complaints, we've actually had only one exclusive mount that hasn't been a Chinese/Korean port: Carbuncle. This also applies to the outfits. Most are overseas ports or cosplays. You can argue the latter, but the devs only ever released them because people wanted to purchase them. That's why, much to many people's annoyance, they aren't dyeable. They're not meant to be rewards.

    The only real difference between Heavensward and Stormblood has been more emotes. Regardless, Mogstation isn't even a fraction of what it'd be with a F2P model nor was the subscription ever meant to avoid it. Every MMO, no matter their model has a cash shop. Despite my strong misgivings with how content has been handled of late; my opinions of Eureka are hardly a secret. Let's not pretend we are anywhere near a F2P game, or that our sub fees don't cover a fairly large amount of content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yshnal View Post
    Anyway, greed + people's stupidity leads to what we have now, including the app (and less content, recycled gear, etc.). And things will keep getting worse, because I don't see any change in the players' mentality of "things are fine, it's optional!" Guess what? The whole game is optional, including that nice recycled gear that you "enjoy" now. We warned people since years ago, but whatever. Personally, nowadays I barely care, and I just sub a couple of months per year (and it's becoming less and less) to play a bit with friends.
    You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood. And everything is optional. You cannot get around that no matter how hard you try. If they did put things say, Carbucle in the game. Do you think it'll be handed to you in a run of the mill quest chain? No. They'll lock it in Pagos or MSQ Roulette or any other long grind in the hopes of incentivizing that content. It isn't stupidity if people have extra money they choose to spend on luxuries. Unless you think going out for drinks with friends is equally stupid. You'll spent significantly more on drinks at a bar than if you bought a bottle from a liquor store. How people spend their money is their business, not yours. If you don't think the mounts or dresses are worth it, don't buy them. I don't. There is plenty on the Mogstation I'm not willing to spend money on. So I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood.
    It was not THAT much. The majority of gear was new, including that coming from dungeons, unlike now.

    But as I said, I don't really care. I clarify this, but I have better things to do. I discussed about this well enough back in the day, and I know the replies perfectly fine. I wish you the best with the game (No sarcasm, as I hope that people wake up eventually).
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