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  1. #41
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    Voltyblast's Avatar
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    Rama Kagon
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    To me almost all HW primals were terrible But if I had to pick one, in particular, I'd definitely go with Sophia: I think the mechanics themselves are sound, but I hate the falling mechanic because I didn't remember that one orb is two and etc. It didn't fell hard but just annoying. Hard can be exciting, even easy can be exciting, but falling down is just annoying which is not fun so...yep, that's her for now.

    Truth be told I haven't did all SB primals so I'm more than excited to see who will replace Sophia!
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  2. #42
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu View Post
    2. Zurvan having the "Skip Soar or Disband" meme and the "Broken Seal" in Extreme that breaks pugs more than I can count.
    Mfw I had a Zurvan NM in trial Roulette, and the NM Broken Seal wiped everyone except a healer and the two tanks (I was the healer, and I only lived because I saw it coming and spammed a shield on myself to survive). Zurvan in any incarnation wipes groups.
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  3. #43
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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Xoria Tepes
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    Least favorite would have to be Shinryu. The fight feels like it drags out forever in not a fun way like Thordan, Nidhogg or other long-ish fights. Other primals, like Mog and Ramuh (and probably Rathalos), were mostly ruined for me because of the players just not listening for some of the most basic of mechanics.
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  5. #44
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    alimdia's Avatar
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Gilgamesh
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    Mechanically a bit of Bismarck and Lakshmi. The first mainly because of those tornados that follow you, so your options are interrupt your casts to run from tornados or interrupt your cast from tornado lifting you and dealing pity damage, it stung a bit extra with how little mobility 3.0 BLM had. The second because it was a duty action tutorial as mentioned before, although the theme and aesthetics were good.

    But in terms of bad PF experiences Zurvan wins, soooooooooooo many people unable to do easy mechanics, and it had the most boring primal music out of the entire Heavensward.

    On Shiva / Oblivion, that song was the 6th most popular song voted here https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._vote_results/ and one of the most viewed soundtrack songs in dudewhereismyspoon's YT channel.
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    Last edited by alimdia; 09-02-2018 at 08:34 AM.

  6. #45
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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    Mechanically a bit of Bismarck and ~snip~. The first mainly because of those tornadoes that follow you, so your options are interrupt your casts to run from tornadoes or interrupt your cast from tornado lifting you and dealing pity damage, it stung a bit extra with how little mobility 3.0 BLM had. ~snip~
    Just FYI, on the edges of the island, you could stand there and no tornado goes there. Also, completely dead-center (where the device is), as long as you're 100% PERFECTLY center, you won't get hit by the tornado (the center is by far the hardest to find the perfect spot, otherwise you will be picked up if you're just slightly out of place). You'd only need to move for the bubbles.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

  7. #46
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    Erakir Pompop
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    Mechanically a bit of Bismarck and Lakshmi. The first mainly because of those tornados that follow you, so your options are interrupt your casts to run from tornados or interrupt your cast from tornado lifting you and dealing pity damage, it stung a bit extra with how little mobility 3.0 BLM had. The second because it was a duty action tutorial as mentioned before, although the theme and aesthetics were good.
    For Bismarck, try standing on the north/south edges of the island as a caster, centered earth/west (12/6 o'clock). You'll have much less movement to do - it's mostly only from the water pools that drop on occasion.

    My most disliked is Leviathan. A lot of people know you have to hit the shield, but if they haven't seen Leviathan in a long time the apparent timing on hitting it is not super clear. The dash he does across beforehand is different, but people are uncertain if they haven't done it in awhile. Don't want to waste the shield after all. And if waiting till the ultimate starts from his dialogue, too bad - it's already screenshotted as not being up. Adding onto this is competent groups that push at...I think it's 35%? Again, if you haven't been in there awhile, whoops, hope someone remembers that percentage. There's nothing difficult about it, the window of "Ah yea, I definitely need to do a thing" is just shorter than it needs to be. Compare to how long you have during Lakshmi to Vril the transition or how long you have to click Susano's sword.

    Then there's always someone making a fuss after a screwup. Well, you didn't do it either, buddy. It's trial roulette, world isn't gonna end if you drop your rotation if you're certain on the timing. Go ensure no wipe instead of hoping the two healers aren't new, etc.

    The rest of the fight is meh on normal and I get extra tired of healing the DPS who doesn't understand why they're taking 500 damage every time they hit levi. For me, he also sorta came out of nowhere, but I admit I was just clicking through quests to try and get caught up at that time (2.3 I think?).
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    Last edited by Erakir; 09-02-2018 at 09:07 AM.

  8. #47
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    Penthea's Avatar
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    Nettle Creidne
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    Moogle
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    Thordan because in story mode he was insultingly easy. You would have to be a spectacularly bad group to even have a chance of wiping.
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  9. #48
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    The recent trend of the Primals to have an intermission phase where not much happens. Byakko falling, Susano QTE, Laksmhi adds.

    All done to prevent speed killing.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  10. #49
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    Just FYI, on the edges of the island, you could stand there and no tornado goes there. Also, completely dead-center (where the device is), as long as you're 100% PERFECTLY center, you won't get hit by the tornado (the center is by far the hardest to find the perfect spot, otherwise you will be picked up if you're just slightly out of place). You'd only need to move for the bubbles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erakir View Post
    For Bismarck, try standing on the north/south edges of the island as a caster, centered earth/west (12/6 o'clock). You'll have much less movement to do - it's mostly only from the water pools that drop on occasion.
    Thank you! I'll try to remember this next time I do it synced / min ilvl.
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  11. #50
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    Zephera Mortera
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    Zalera
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    Eh, I'd have to say Susanoo or Lakshmi, not through any fault of their own, I like the fights myself. It's just that when I get them in trial roulette there's always at least 1 or 2 people that don't learn the mechanics after wiping 3 times. Reminds me of Bismark back in HW where dps couldn't clear the checks fast enough.
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