Suggestion: For Rising 2019

[KisaiTenshi]

Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understand the 1.0 tattoo is a brand the WoL gets from the spell Louisoix casted on them to save them from the Calamity. If that is the case it wouldn't make much sense for there to be tattoos for every expansion.

Not saying I don't want tattoos, I do. But I'd rather they not be something exclusive to an expansion. It excludes new players and honestly would make the 1.0 tattoo less meaningful if each expansion had one.

Pretty much. If the entire point of the tattoo is to show how long a player has been playing the game, then it makes sense. However I only suggested it out of maybe building something up from the tattoo in that theme.

Like the existing one is just below the neck and sits roughly between the shoulder blades. A player since ARR could add one on the lower back, A player since HW could add something on the upper arms, a player since SB could add something on the thighs... etc.

[Emstidor]

Maybe you should educate yourself as to the requirements for a legacy character.

Maybe you should learn to read.

[Rogatum]

Honest question to those few legacy players that feel they are entitled to exclusive rewards how long do you reasonably feel your contribution should be held above others? Three years, five years, ten years?

[Penthea]

Honest question to those few legacy players that feel they are entitled to exclusive rewards how long do you reasonably feel your contribution should be held above others? Three years, five years, ten years?

I feel this is a good time to point out that Ozz, who has been showing quite a bit of 1.0 related elitism, has a very low post count, claims that 1.0 players are the true supporters of the game...has a character linked to his forum profile that has hardly been played. This may not be his main but considering his post count as well, he's really not making a convincing case that he is a long time supporter of the game.

[Jijifli]

Maybe you should educate yourself as to the requirements for a legacy character.

I do want to make a little note here.

A Legacy character was only required to have the character exist in 1.0. There were no other requirements.

A legacy account needed 90 days of sub time, and gives the rewards such as cheaper subs, not the tattoo.

All the tattoo cared about was if you played for even 5 minutes in 1.x's time.

[worldofneil]

A Legacy character was only required to have the character exist in 1.0. There were no other requirements.

It's a little more than that. You also had to buy 1.0 and activate it/create your character before November 2012. While the subscription might have been free for a long time, buying the game was not.

All the tattoo cared about was if you played for even 5 minutes in 1.x's time.

Yes... and you didn't qualify, so no tattoo. I didn't pay enough gametime to qualify for a legacy account, I can't have that. It's just how it is. You can't have everything you want.

[worldofneil]

Honest question to those few legacy players that feel they are entitled to exclusive rewards how long do you reasonably feel your contribution should be held above others? Three years, five years, ten years?

Erm.. forever?

How is this time based "exclusive" any different to the many other examples in this game? Like the entire legacy account requirements, or the 1.0 Goobbue mount or the minions that came with early soundtracks or even more recently the minions from the previous Fan Fest (the wording suggested the outfit might come back, but the minions specifically said about how this was our "last chance" to get them). Oh and lets not forget items for preordering ARR, HW and SB... If you didn't meet the requirements before the expiry dates, you can no longer get the items.

A partial list of what is not longer available is located at: http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...5382&kid=68090

Timed exclusives are not something specific to this game.

[Mihana]

Can you even name 5 chest pieces in the game that even show the thing off without taking off a piece of armor?

Sohm Al Gear (Skywarrior, Skyhunter, Skydruid, etc.)
Spring Shirt
Sky Rat Harness of (Insert Name)
Coliseum Galerus (And it's craftable non-class restricted version.)
Most Coatees (For female only, and it covers up only the top half.)
Beachwear (Excluding the male variants of maybe two or so items.)

Generally anything that doesn't cover your back or at least the upper half will display it. This is just a small sample of the items available in the game that I just put together after a quick runthrough of all equippable chest items on the marketboard. Point is, there's several items that do. Sure most armor chestpieces in the game won't but what do you expect, they're designed for protection and not to show off skin. There are exceptions obviously but there you go.



EDIT: As a legacy player myself I'm against the idea of making the mark available again. This and the sub discount are the only two things I really care about. Many people may not realize this but for a good portion of the game's life there was no subscription fee at the beginning. The game was so bugged and had issues that SE postponed charging a fee until Yoshi-P took the helm. It was then that we were shown the concept of what "A Realm Reborn" was to be. In order to try and bring funds for the game's rebirth they then asked players to start paying a monthly subscription. While others just decided to up and abandon the game until its relaunch others decided it was worth paying the subscription fee and stayed. The sub discount is meant as a thank you to players who still continued to play and even paid a subscription for an otherwise at the time dying game. As for the legacy mark that was meant to show that particular character was from the original version of the game. If I create a new character I don't get that mark on their back even if I have a legacy account so it's not a reward for staying with the game but for characters that existed pre-ARR.


By the way I find the "I couldn't play the game back then!" as an excuse so dumb. Unless you were a child at the time there wasn't much of a reason you couldn't have bought the game and if you had a semi-decent computer. The legacy mark didn't even NEED you to have an active sub or have played for a specific period of time to qualify for. If your account was from pre-ARR any created characters from that period in time will have the legacy mark.

[Rogatum]

Erm.. forever?

How is this time based "exclusive" any different to the many other examples in this game? Like the entire legacy account requirements, or the 1.0 Goobbue mount or the minions that came with early soundtracks or even more recently the minions from the previous Fan Fest (the wording suggested the outfit might come back, but the minions specifically said about how this was our "last chance" to get them). Oh and lets not forget items for preordering ARR, HW and SB... If you didn't meet the requirements before the expiry dates, you can no longer get the items.

A partial list of what is not longer available is located at: http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...5382&kid=68090

Timed exclusives are not something specific to this game.

May I ask why you feel it should be forever? Putting promises aside. Mostly just wondering if the reason some feel it should be forever is simply because of the promise.

[worldofneil]

May I ask why you feel it should be forever? Putting promises aside.

I don't mean to answer a question with another question, but why shouldn't exclusives be forever? They're not really exclusive otherwise...

Much as I'd love the Legacy tattoo on my 2nd character (which was created around 2.2) or to be able to get items from previous Rocket League seasonal events or to be able to get items from the Battlepasses of previous seasons of Fortnite... I can't. There's also a ton of games out there I can no longer get preorder items/skins/bonuses from, because I missed out and didn't do it at the time. This is really no different.