We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Edax]

It's good you recognize that.

Plenty of people have done a great job already of detailing why your suggestions are unnecessary at best and crippling to other parts of the game at worst so I won't go into those details but has it occurred to you that you're taking to a public forum to express your opinion and then just been rude to anyone who disagrees with you for expressing theirs?

Perhaps WhyAmIHere is here (lol, good name) is here to defend the content that they enjoy from people like you who only care about certain parts of the game. It isn't your place to question them or imply that they shouldn't be responding to you.

But because of your sense of entitlement? Either do the content that awards it, make it if it can be made, or get over it.

I would go with uninformed or nonsensical personally) but rather that your proposed solutions to your perceived problems are detrimental.

Calling me entitled or at least implying as such isn't rude? Ordering me to "get over it" isn't rude? Stating that my opinion is "uninformed or nonsensical" isn't being rude? In my opinion, there seems to be a double standard here.

[Sigma-Astra]

Calling me entitled or at least implying as such isn't rude? Ordering me to "get over it" isn't rude? Stating that my opinion is "uninformed or nonsensical" isn't being rude? In my opinion, there seems to be a double standard here.

It could be rude, but that's do to how you're coming across towards them with your tone and responses, so really, maybe some self-reflection is also needed here. You need to figure out a "why" people are first jumping towards the word "entitlement" towards you in the first place based on how you're wording things. Fighting rudeness with more rudeness gets you absolutely no where and you probably know that by now.

If people are saying those things, they have their reasons why to and have probably explained why they feel they disagree I'm sure and you're just not seeing their point of view or side either.

[MoroMurasaki]

Calling me entitled or at least implying as such isn't rude? Ordering me to "get over it" isn't rude? Stating that my opinion is "uninformed or nonsensical" isn't being rude? In my opinion, there seems to be a double standard here.

Well it's a good thing we all agreed your opinion doesn't matter, then ;D

I jest. Mostly.

I can only speak for myself but I genuinely believe your opinions on gearing are nonsense and born of a fundamental lack of understanding of the game from anything but your perspective. If I walked up to you on the street and said 'I hate your shirt' it would be rude but discussing the validity of opinions on a forum and in a thread that is literally discussing the validity of these opinions isn't rude.

I'm not going to apologize for saying those things. You put your opinion out there and got feedback you don't like. That sucks but you chose to voice those opinions.

[Edax]

Well it's a good thing we all agreed your opinion doesn't matter, then ;D

I jest. Mostly.

I can only speak for myself but I genuinely believe your opinions on gearing are nonsense and born of a fundamental lack of understanding of the game from anything but your perspective. If I walked up to you on the street and said 'I hate your shirt' it would be rude but discussing the validity of opinions on a forum and in a thread that is literally discussing the validity of these opinions isn't rude.

I'm not going to apologize for saying those things. You put your opinion out there and got feedback you don't like. That sucks but you chose to voice those opinions.

I'm glad for the feedback I got on my opinions about the game, but not of the "feedback" I've got for myself personally. By discussing my opinion, I learn what others want from the game. I feel players shouldn't feel discouraged from discussing their opinions on this forum, otherwise it might become an echo chamber.

That wasn't a personal attack on your character. You are literally looking to be offended by what everyone says at every turn. Seriously, take a breath and step away from the forums or something. Not everyone is out to insult you, but you're sure looking to play the victim after being rude to others because of a disagreement with opinions.

You....can't really preach "Getting over it" when you can't seem to comprehend that other people are allowed to have criticism and opinions, sometimes negative, against your own as well.

Literally everything you said in your reply was a criticism of me personally. You completely ignored my opinion of this game and thus the point of the thread topic in your reply.
You may mock me for saying this, but have some self awareness. Even if you believe you are doing the right thing, you are derailing the thread to criticize me, and thus I'm derailing the thread replying to that.

[Sigma-Astra]

Literally everything you said in your reply was a criticism of me personally. You completely ignored my opinion of this game and thus the point of the thread topic in your reply.
You may mock me for saying this, but have some self awareness. Even if you believe you are doing the right thing, you are derailing the thread to criticize me, and thus I'm derailing the thread replying to that.

No, it wasn't. I said that you shouldn't preach towards others the words "getting over it" when you too, can not also seem to handle conflicting or negative opinions regarding your own very well by immediately jumping towards an aggressive standing. And that still seems to be a problem here based on how you're reacting. I didn't ignore your opinion, I allowed you to have it. I never said that you couldn't have it, just that maybe you shouldn't be so quick to fire back that one comment and it's harming your stance more than its doing you good.

Criticism of a person is not always considered a personal attack. I didn't name-call, flame, or insult you. Just merely stated that maybe you shouldn't say those things because you're doing the exact same thing what you're chiding the other person for doing. It's a little hypocritical behavior.

I don't need self-awareness. I know exactly what and how I'm typing things. I suggest that maybe, once again, you look towards your own advice and possibly do the same here. You're not immune towards criticism, neither am I. I don't know why people think it's okay to criticize others, but then expect not to be in return.

[WhyAmIHere]

Calling me entitled or at least implying as such isn't rude? Ordering me to "get over it" isn't rude? Stating that my opinion is "uninformed or nonsensical" isn't being rude? In my opinion, there seems to be a double standard here.

You came onto a relatively public forum expecting to find an echo chamber of "yes I agree" remarks. You got upset when people said "no I disagree." Instead of debating those points you resorted to dismissing the opinions of others because you weren't interested in dialogue, just affirmation of your own views. Your actions have been trying to seek validation, and now victimization, merits of defeat in a debate.

This is topic discussing the path of FFXIV. If you feel my opinion, playstyle and personal goals are invalid, then get over it.

You're putting words in my mouth. Here, I'll spell it out for you:
Being inaccurate and erroneous (made in error) does not equal invalid. Your opinion is not invalid, but inaccurate and ill-informed. When presented with evidence to the contrary, you retreat away from this point.

Thank you for the personal attack on my character. I can't stop you for having your opinion, or your personal criticism of me, but I can be offended by it and I can defend myself since you have made this personal.

nothing that I can recall that has been said towards you has been an attack on your character. If you really think all you are is your opinions, stop selling yourself short. You may be a better crafter / gatherer / pvp-er / RP-er / whatever-er than myself or anyone else on this forum/game. But if you're offended that people are saying that you're wrong, without either wanting to justify why you felt right in spite of this, trying to have a back and forth and debate the merit of your points, and instead resort to what you've been doing... I don't know what to tell you.

Saying you're wrong is not saying you're worthless.
EDIT::
Here, I'll even prove my point.

I already know my words here will not change the game. That doesn't mean I'm happy about the current situation and I feel I have a right to voice as such on this topic.

You have as much a right as anyone else to express the game and your satisfaction/dissatisfaction with the game. I'm upset with Pagos. Plenty of other people are as well. SE sees the amount of people upset by this content and try to make it better for the players.
My point? Get enough people to agree on the points you're making and eventually those changes you seek may very well be implemented. But if the things you want only appeal to you don't get upset if people, naturally, disagree with how you feel.

Glamour's been a hot button issue for a long time. SE heard the complaints and finally implemented the glamour dresser, removed the myriad glamour prisms and made them all single-purpose items. So, there is proof to what I'm saying.

[Edax]

You came onto a relatively public forum expecting to find an echo chamber of "yes I agree" remarks.

No I didn't. If I thought everyone would agree with me, I wouldn't even be on the forums in the first place.

You're putting words in my mouth. Here, I'll spell it out for you:
Being inaccurate and erroneous (made in error) does not equal invalid. Your opinion is not invalid, but inaccurate and ill-informed. When presented with evidence to the contrary, you retreat away from this point.

Please explain how to me how "This is topic discussing the path of FFXIV. If you feel my opinion, playstyle and personal goals are invalid, then get over it." was putting words in your mouth. That was my reply to your order that I "get over it".

Either do the content that awards it, make it if it can be made, or get over it.

My statement:

Better equipment is aspirational and not everyone aspires to be a raider.

Was a general statement about the game and it's playerbase. It should not have spawned so many replies about me personally.

You need to figure out a "why" people are first jumping towards the word "entitlement" towards you in the first place based on how you're wording things.

Who get to declare who and who isn't entitled? I am paying for this game, same as you. I argue this game should be more egalitarian and yet I'm accused of being entitled.

It's a little hypocritical behavior.

nothing that I can recall that has been said towards you has been an attack on your character.

I take being called hypocritical and entitled as an attack on my character. It sidesteps the discussion about the game entirely.

[WhyAmIHere]

No I didn't. If I thought everyone would agree with me, I wouldn't even be on the forums in the first place.


your actions conflict with your statement here

Please explain how to me how "This is topic discussing the path of FFXIV. If you feel my opinion, playstyle and personal goals are invalid, then get over it." was putting words in your mouth. That was my reply to your order that I "get over it".


I did. Reread what I wrote and you should see it.

My statement:

Was a general statement about the game and it's playerbase. It should not have spawned so many replies about me personally.


You've removed ALL of the context leading up to this point, and ignoring why the events turned out to lead to that point. This doesn't help you. You have stated before that you feel you should have access to the best gear rewards without having to resort to raiding. People have countered your opinion saying "you don't have to raid. But "best" gear is relative to what you want." Instead of debating this, you took personal offense to this, and well... here we are now.

Who get to declare who and who isn't entitled? I am paying for this game, same as you. I argue this game should be more egalitarian and yet I'm accused of being entitled.


Because you expect to get a Gold medal for doing the work of a non-gold medal performance. Simply put.

I take being called hypocritical and entitled as an attack on my character. It sidesteps the discussion about the game entirely.


...any more than you've already? Context matters, but being called a hypocrite isn't always an attack on your character. Being called entitled isn't always an attack on your character. Context matters.

see the bold/underlined.

[Sigma-Astra]

Who get to declare who and who isn't entitled? I am paying for this game, same as you. I argue this game should be more egalitarian and yet I'm accused of being entitled.

No one. And that includes you, but that doesn't mean people don't have to the right to say or not say it simply because the word itself makes you feel uncomfortable or offends you. Arguing that the game isn't egalitarian as a concept is an extremely silly and hyperbole-strawmen type statement that you're basing on personal feelings rather than actual facts. The game itself doesn't discriminate content against its users outright. You are free to pursue everything the game has to offer and you stating this simply because you want better gear without raiding because you don't like raiding, is personal bias and nothing more than that. You're not being forced to pay an additional sub fee for content you don't use. Let's leave the discussion of something as serious as "Equality" out of an MMORPG, please.

I take being called hypocritical and entitled as an attack on my character. It sidesteps the discussion about the game entirely.

Then, maybe don't do or sound like it and people will overlook those flaws? Or own up towards the fact that's how your tone and responses come across? Maybe not throw the first stone the moment, the exact moment, you are met with negative criticism and seek to improve oneself instead? This isn't a safe space for words after all. Again, as another user mentioned, context matters and how you make yourself appear through words over the internet.

Reading between the lines and tone is equally important.

[Edax]

Then, maybe don't do or sound like it and people will overlook those flaws?

Players should overlook those flaws anyway. It's a video game forum about discussing a video game. Justifying insults is pointless. Ideally no one should be trading insults here.

It doesn't matter whether you think it was or wasn't designed, it's still accessible by everyone willing to start and do the quests.

(IMO) It does matter because it's bad game design. Paying customers are unhappy and they paid for Pagos to be developed via the subscriptions.