We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Edax]

It's not about ego and you're purposely misunderstanding the incredibly common system used not just in video games, but in other facets of life as well.

Hard work should reap better rewards than the average. It's simple logic that you're refuting simply because you yourself don't wish to acknowledge it even though you know it's true.

A person earns a promotion through their job because they worked harder and better than the rest of the employees and thus, deserves better things than the rest of the employees. An employee not putting in the extra effort or physical labor involved does not deserve the same rewards as the other person doing double that. It's just common sense.

You can try to refute it as much as you wish and remain naive about it, but, that's the truth and it's here to stay.

And yet, hard work via mining, blacksmithing, woodcutting, fishing, ect, in Old School Runescape equals reward with money. More hard work means more money. The more money you earn, the better gear you can get until you have the best.
Hard Work in FFXIV is gated. Hard Work is only rewarded by a very narrow set of FFXIV game mechanics and the rewards are spiritbound. That armor was earned in Runescape, it was not just handed out. More importantly the player had more freedom in acquiring that armor via the player-driven economy.

[Sigma-Astra]

And yet, hard work via mining, blacksmithing, woodcutting, fishing, ect, in Old School Runescape equals reward with money. More hard work means more money. The more money you earn, the better gear you can get until you have the best.
Hard Work in FFXIV is gated. Hard Work is only rewarded by a very narrow set of FFXIV game mechanics and the rewards are spiritbound. That armor was earned in Runescape, it was not just handed out. More importantly the player had more freedom in acquiring that armor via the player-driven economy.

Not necessarily and you're purposely being incredibly narrow in your views to only see what you want to see and nothing else because it benefits your narrative and nothing more than that.

A person who has maxed out their gathering and crafting jobs can easily funnel a lucrative and monetary supply in buying or making the pentameld crafting gear for battle classes.

You do have other variables and options towards gear that is relatively close towards BiS, it's just not THE perfect BiS which bursts your bubble and quite frankly, if you're not doing Savage raiding and seeking to improve your actual knowledge and skills with your chosen main class or multiple classes, then no, you don't need the highest ilvl that's achievable without putting in the same actual mechanical requirements.

Anyone can level their botanist, miner, and crafting class towards acceptable and good standards with the maximum efficiency, it's not mechanically hard, it's just tedious....not everyone can play their battle class under fire and make rapid, sometimes good and sometimes bad decisions, in the heat of a moment when you have no idea if it'll cost you or the rest of your team their lives, therefore wiping the run entirely.

Those are the standards that set you apart from the raiders. Tedious work does not and has never equaled the same factor as actual skill, it merely measures in how much patience you have and time on your hands.

I do tedious work at my jobs all of the time, it's not hard work, it's just there to give me something to do and stretch out the hours. That's all it is. There's no possible way that I can compare the tedious work of, let's say, shifting through a catalog and marking which chairs are out of stock and which ones aren't towards the person in the warehouse actually doing the physical lifting and labor of loading heavy objects onto shelves all day long.

There's a stark difference. Both are work, but one requires a bit more mechanical knowledge than the other. Savage raiding is no different. Why should a person who's only good at wasting time fishing be given the same gear as the person who completed God Kefka? It literally makes no sense at all. And don't you dare say fishing is mechanically hard in XIV. I've had harder times fishing in Dark Cloud of all places or XV.

You get rewarded with the best gear based on how much effort and skills you have, not how much time you can waste.

This also isn't Runescape, this is XIV. It's not going to be what you find in Runescape no matter how much you physically want it to be. You're comparing apples to oranges and it's not a good point.

[Edax]

This also isn't Runescape, this is XIV. It's not going to be what you find in Runescape no matter how much you physically want it to be. You're comparing apples to oranges and it's not a good point.

But Runescape and FFXIV are not the same game; they aren’t even the same type of MMO. Comparing the two seems like a pointless endeavor to me.

If FFXIV can only be compared to FFXIV, then we don't really have much to talk about.

[Dualgunner]

If FFXIV can only be compared to FFXIV, then we don't really have much to talk about.

You're right, it's much better to compare it to anything. Why isn't it like Minecraft where I can have my own private servers and build my own towns?

[Edax]

You're right, it's much better to compare it to anything. Why isn't it like Minecraft where I can have my own private servers and build my own towns?

If an MMORPG can't be compared to a competing MMORPG, then really we have some low standards here. FFXIV will always meet the standards of FFXIV. Even if FFXIV 1.0 was a disaster that failed miserably, it was still FFXIV and you can't knock it for not being FFXIV.

[Dualgunner]

If an MMORPG can't be compared to a competing MMORPG, then really we have some low standards here. FFXIV will always meet the standards of FFXIV. Even if FFXIV 1.0 was a disaster that failed miserably, it was still FFXIV and you can't knock it for not being FFXIV.

Can we compare GTAV to Dark Souls? Both are singleplayer games.

[Edax]

Can we compare GTAV to Dark Souls? Both are singleplayer games.

Yes! Why should you not? Both are action single player/multiplayer games. Both have mechanics that can improve the other. Why should the topic be dismissed or taboo, simply because A is not exactly like B?

[OurMom]

If an MMORPG can't be compared to a competing MMORPG, then really we have some low standards here. FFXIV will always meet the standards of FFXIV. Even if FFXIV 1.0 was a disaster that failed miserably, it was still FFXIV and you can't knock it for not being FFXIV.

Different genres. You're comparing xiv, a strict themepark to a sandbox while conveniently leaving out that in old runescape boss gear was still better than crafted gear.

So even in that game, we're back to the fact that in mmos you have to beat the hardest content to get the best gear. Even if you could buy boss gear off the market board someone still had to beat that boss.

Also since this is a subscription based themepark, you realize if they brought world boss gear here, it would be untradeable (to keep people subbed) so you would still have to put in work to get gear.

[Sigma-Astra]

If FFXIV can only be compared to FFXIV, then we don't really have much to talk about.

None of us said that XIV could only be compared to XIV, again, you are strawmanning and putting words in our mouths of things that we didn't even outright even say. At this point in time, even I'm thinking that you don't read our posts half of the time if this is the only conclusion that you could come up with from my entire post earlier on in the thread.

You didn't refute any of my main points, you didn't even try, in fact, I honestly think that you can't at this point. You're not refuting anything else I've said and only shifting and moving the goal posts into something entirely off the wall each and every time. I've made very good points, you just don't want to accept them, and it sort of feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

You can't compare XIV to Runescape in the sense, as Dualgunner has pointed on, as we all have pointed out, that they are not even remotely the same kind of MMO archetype. Runescape is not even a main competitor against XIV at this point in time simply because they are wildly different from each other in terms of structure. Now, if we were comparing what WoW has done or maybe what GW2 or what XI had done in the past, there might be some common ground. But, there's no common ground between XIV and Runescape other than the fact they're both MMO's, that's it. And that doesn't make a good comparison or argument which again, Dualgunner has also pointed out. You can't compare one thing to another just because you like the one thing and just because they are both part of the MMO genre. It's not a good comparison, that's not how comparisons even work.

And as Dualgunner has also pointed out beforehand, it's akin towards comparing Minecraft and Dark Souls and stating it's possible simply because they're both single player games. It's not....and you're either purposely missing the main point or just refusing to accept it because it invalidates your own opinions and logic, whatever the case may be.

If you want Runescape rewards, you go play Runescape. That's all there is to it. There's no reason for XIV to go down that route simply because you don't want to put forth the effort when you'd rather just put forth the time because it's easier for you.

But, I can agree on one thing with you at least that we really don't have much to talk about simply because you refuse and deny any and all truths if they don't validate your own views as correct. That's not a healthy discussion, that's a circlejerk or echo chamber.

[Edax]

None of us said that XIV could only be compared to XIV, again, you are strawmanning and putting words in our mouths of things that we didn't even outright even say.

This also isn't Runescape, this is XIV. It's not going to be what you find in Runescape no matter how much you physically want it to be. You're comparing apples to oranges and it's not a good point.

Okay really? I'm suppose to take "This also isn't Runescape, this is XIV" literally then? You literally thought I had no idea that FFXIV wasn't Runescape and you felt the need to remind me? I'm not putting words in your mouth, you literally explained to me that XIV is not Runescape.
Comparing apples to oranges? WHAT'S WRONG WITH COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES? Who said you can't compare fruit? So an apple is not an orange, what a brilliant observation! Thank you for reminding me. And I say it is a good point to compare something that is different from something else.