We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Edax]

You are right with that and maybe I am just a bit annoyed by it because we just had ended a thousand years old war, had lost quite some friends (depending on your own view) and lets not forget all the pain that we suffered when we were betrayed at the end of 2.5. Maybe it would have been less like that if we had an expansion between it where we would just be adventurers, maybe even without certain NPCs to catch a bit of a breath and maybe with the intention of learning more about the world and its past. This way it just dont feel like war after war. I mean 5.0 seems to hint at Garlemald and that will probably end in another war.

It would be great if the Garleans ends up absent in the next expansion. Just a smaller scale adventure in Koshu where the WoL gets more character focus/development would be a breathe of fresh air. This is one of the reasons I loved HW so much (I even have a framed poster on my wall), is that to start with, it shrank the character focus to just the WoL, Alphinaud and Tataru. Even though they got involved in the Dragonsong War, because they were never truly allied with Ishgard, to story remained focused. As a player, it really felt like I was affecting the plot and the fate of the people of Ishgard. And as a nice touch, HW ends with just the WoL, Alphinaud and Tataru at Haurchefant's grave sharing a nice character moment as the credits roll.
I miss that. In Stormblood, I feel too much like the Scion's henchman, Lyse's henchman and Lord Hien's henchman. It would be great to just hit the road with just a few character and have some trials and tribulations.

There needs to be more of this:


And much less of this:

How many Imperials have I already killed now? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?
From one reckoning to the next...to the next...to the next...to the next.

[Lubu_Mykono]

It would be a waste not to do Garlemald now. The landmass is there looking pretty and once you get through to 5.X whatever the last part is it means we can actually move onto something a little bit more novel, experimental and therefore in my opinion interesting.

[Magic-Mal]

Bad part about going to Garlemald is that I feel that Othard will be abandoned now and we won't go back ever again. We basically explored a tiny piece of a continent and that'll probably be it...

With all the maps just being big open spaces/wastelands, I feel like I don't really know anything about what Othard has in it, unlike Eorzea. I really hope we flesh out Othard and Garlemald as much as we did Eorzea.

[Seddrinth]

Another thing that also bothers me is that someone spending 100s of hours in Eureka vs someone spending 100s of hours raiding are not treated equally by the game in terms of rewards given. You can spend time doing raids and get the top tier gear. Which is good. You put in the time and earned it. Though if you spend the same amount of time, or more really, grinding in Eureka for example you're given gear that isn't on equal terms for the same amount of time spent.

So you want to be able to spend time in Eureka and get comparable level gear as someone who raids. That's fine. In that case if I spend 100s of hours roleplaying in Limsa should I not be entitled to someone such as yourself who spends 100s of hours grinding Eureka? If I spend 100s of hours decorating my house or chatting with my FC mates should I be rewarded 375 raid gear? By your logic, I spend the same amount of time so I should get the same level rewards.

[Seddrinth]

Lol tfw casuals complain that they don't get raid equivalent gear when they aren't willing to do raiding. Gtfo here with that socialist thinking, this is a capitalist game ;3

This game actually is very casual friendly. You can get i360 gear without doing any raids and it is almost the same level as 370 gear. Go play other games and the non-raiding gear is significantly worse than raid gear. FFXIV is known for being very casual friendly and very generous in terms of giving top gear to casual non-raiding players. That's why it kills me when I see people complain.

[Seddrinth]

...and i'll keep repeating this because nobody has presented a convincing logical case for why raid gear needs to be exclusively a higher ilvl and that if something is as powerful then it somehow becomes devalued instead of simply being an alternative.

So why not just give everyone a set of 375 gear the moment their character is created? If you don't want to give people better gear because they cleared harder content then why have savage raids, trials, or dungeons? Let's just create a toon at level 70 with bis gear and we can all just roleplay and buy glamour from the cash shop. This way you will get your dream of getting top gear by doing Eureka and I can get my top level bis gear by chatting with my FC mates and doing dance emotes all day long at Limsa.

[OurMom]

...and i'll keep repeating this because nobody has presented a convincing logical case for why raid gear needs to be exclusively a higher ilvl

I want to make sure I'm understanding this.

Are you asking why raid gear that's given by completing the hardest fights at the time, is better than non raid gear?

If that's what you're asking that's because that's simply how mmorpgs work. You do the hard content to get the best gear which is more than fair. If you don't plan on raiding or doing anything that requires that tier of gear, why worry about it?

I haven't touching any raids this tier and I'm not worried about gear because I don't need it.

[Edax]

So you want to be able to spend time in Eureka and get comparable level gear as someone who raids. That's fine. In that case if I spend 100s of hours roleplaying in Limsa should I not be entitled to someone such as yourself who spends 100s of hours grinding Eureka? If I spend 100s of hours decorating my house or chatting with my FC mates should I be rewarded 375 raid gear? By your logic, I spend the same amount of time so I should get the same level rewards.

Eureka is a place to get to good gear. Roleplaying in Limsa is not. Neither is decorating your home. Or chatting. This is a false equivalency.

[Lorgana]

Eureka is a place to get to good gear. Roleplaying in Limsa is not. Neither is decorating your home. Or chatting. This is a false equivalency.

It's actually not, eureka is a place to get good gear. Raid is a place to get -the best gear- what they're saying is that you can't expect to do casual content and get raid style gear. Again, reward in this game is directly proportional to effort. You might spend a week or so grinding in eureka, but raid content might take a group weeks or months to clear.

[Edax]

Eureka is a place to get to good gear.

It's actually not, eureka is a place to get good gear.

I'm afraid you have confused me with your reply.