We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[ElazulHP]

Another thing that also bothers me is that someone spending 100s of hours in Eureka vs someone spending 100s of hours raiding are not treated equally by the game in terms of rewards given. You can spend time doing raids and get the top tier gear. Which is good. You put in the time and earned it. Though if you spend the same amount of time, or more really, grinding in Eureka for example you're given gear that isn't on equal terms for the same amount of time spent. Now I can already imagine some of you thinking, "Well what do you need the gear for if you're not raiding?" The answer is why do you care? Does it somehow invalidate the time you spent? Would you have not done the raids if there was alternative gear at the same level? If you truly enjoy raiding then the fun should be in the raiding itself right? All parties spent the same amount of time in their choice of activity, yet the rewards are quite disproportional. *shrug*

[Sigma-Astra]

Another thing that also bothers me is that someone spending 100s of hours in Eureka vs someone spending 100s of hours raiding are not treated equally by the game in terms of rewards given. You can spend time doing raids and get the top tier gear. Which is good. You put in the time and earned it. Though if you spend the same amount of time, or more really, grinding in Eureka for example you're given gear that isn't on equal terms for the same amount of time spent. Now I can already imagine some of you thinking, "Well what do you need the gear for if you're not raiding?" The answer is why do you care? Does it somehow invalidate the time you spent? Would you have not done the raids if there was alternative gear at the same level? If you truly enjoy raiding then the fun should be in the raiding itself right? All parties spent the same amount of time in their choice of activity, yet the rewards are quite disproportional. *shrug*

Well, the thing is, you ask why raiders care if it somehow invalidates their time, but yet people like you still dodge the question of *why* do you need i370 gear then to begin with. You're not really answering their question either and instead, you're kind of shifting and moving the goal posts. Why does other players who only want to grind out Eureka which yes, you will spend a long time in earning said gear, need i370 gear at all? I don't think people spend 100's of hours like you say with Savage.

The first two tiers of Sigma can be downed within 2-5 hours, the loot you get is completely RNG based, that is not the case in Eureka. You spend time earning the required pieces for your chosen job, it's a constant variable. Savage is not. You'll get a constant variable with a log dropping for the week, but one book is physically not enough to get anything in the first run unless you get lucky. It takes 4 red books to get an accessory, 6 red books to get a belt, 6 yellow books to get a head piece, 6 yellow books to get a hand piece, 6 yellow books to get a foot piece, 8 green books for a leg piece, 8 white books for a weapon, 8 white books for a body piece, and 3 white books for the shield.

Eureka does not have RNG loot drops, it has a constant reward at the end of it's grind that you can use immediately. Savage has a book that you can't use until you get more unless something drops from a chest that was for your job and also, something that hasn't already dropped beforehand, not to mention it's possible for BOTH chests to drop the same item. You're also rolling Need and Greed against 7 other people, that does not exist in Eureka either. You're not spending the same amount of time in either Eureka or Savage for gear as the fluctuations in Savage make it impossible to measure the two every week when there's a lockout. The only idea of spending the same amount of time possibly on Eureka and Savage that could be comparable is when the lockouts are unrestricted.

It takes 4 weeks to earn yourself an i370 accessory, 6 weeks if you want the belt, head, hand, and foot piece, 8 weeks to get a leg, weapon, or shield. The point of getting raid-tier gear is to make it easier on yourself in the higher tiers. Tiers like Guardian and Kefka require a player to have most of the gear that they can get from Doom Train and Chadarnook. That is the point of the raid gear being slightly higher and better in terms of stats. That is literally the main point. They're like small stepping stones of progress for people.

Swallow's Compass doesn't require any of that as you can pretty much overkill everything even in the basic i350 Carb stuff.

[ko_]

/why? D:

I can't answer for her or anyone else but myself. But being someone who doesn't raid alot myself. I want the highest gear I can get cause I like doing more damage. I like bigger numbers, being stronger faster better. Even if all I'm doing is dungeons I STILL want to be the best I can be in any and all content. So that's why I want the higher numbers. D:

[Sigma-Astra]

I can't answer for her or anyone else but myself. But being someone who doesn't raid alot myself. I want the highest gear I can get cause I like doing more damage. I like bigger numbers, being stronger faster better. Even if all I'm doing is dungeons I STILL want to be the best I can be in any and all content. So that's why I want the higher numbers. D:

But, even in the basic Sigma stuff, you're still doing higher damage and numbers that the dungeon doesn't require you to necessaringly hit to be honest. I like big numbers too and doing high amounts of damage myself, it's part of my class. But, Swallow's Compass has an ilvl minimum of i330 and you're still overkilling (thank you FFX) stuff to smithireens in i350-i360 with simple Carb gear and tome gear, even more so if you're upgrading your mendacity gear.

Honestly, and I tell this to everyone who says "Oh, raiding is too hard or not for me", just try it, literally. If a really bad casual BLM raider can down the train and Chadarnook with a goofy static that is probably the most uncoordinated mess ever, then you can do it as well. Just try. Find some fun and good people and just try. You'll be surprised at yourself. I only raid for 2-3 hours once a week, that's it.

[ko_]

But, even in the basic Sigma stuff, you're still doing higher damage and numbers that the dungeon doesn't require you to necessaringly hit to be honest. I like big numbers too and doing high amounts of damage myself, it's part of my class. But, Swallow's Compass has an ilvl minimum of i330 and you're still overkilling (thank you FFX) stuff to smithireens in i350-i360 with simple Car gear and tome gear, even more so if you're upgrading your mendacity gear.

Honestly, and I tell this to everyone who says "Oh, raiding is too hard or not for me", just try it, literally. If a really bad casual BLM raider can down the train and Chadarnook with a goofy static that is probably the more uncoordinated mess ever, then you can do it as well. Just try. Find some fun and good people and just try. You'll be surprised at yourself. I only raid for 2-3 hours once a week, that's it.

I would but I can't even find people to do rath with so my hopes for anything harder are dead. And as far as gear goes... I'm just used to getting gear and out leveling things in RPGS. I've always done it so doing it here is like me doing it in various other games. It's all about the numbers.

[ElazulHP]

*Whataboutism*

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I already explained it...

The answer is why do you care? Does it somehow invalidate the time you spent? Would you have not done the raids if there was alternative gear at the same level? If you truly enjoy raiding then the fun should be in the raiding itself right? All parties spent the same amount of time in their choice of activity, yet the rewards are quite disproportional. *shrug*

Because someone who spent a large amount of time in Eureka is just as valuable as someone who spent a large amount of time raiding. Both should be rewarded equally if they both spent the time to get the rewards.

[Sigma-Astra]

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I already explained it...



Because someone who spent a large amount of time in Eureka is just as valuable as someone who spent a large amount of time raiding. Both should be rewarded equally if they both spent the time to get the rewards.

That's not explaining anything, that's just rehashing your idea/opinion that you think is factually correct and it's not after I just explained to you that Savage requires a buttload of RNG aspects in it that Eureka does not. Neither one can be comparable towards each other, not to mention Eureka doesn't even require the same amount of coordination and actual personal skill levels that Savage has. Both should not be equally rewarded when A) they're not even going with the same kind of grind or structure, B) Savage fluctuates in terms of the time it actually takes to get something for your chosen job in comparison towards Eureka, and C) the difference in player skills between the two content where Eureka doesn't require your BLM to be pushing out 5,000+ DPS.

You didn't explain anything, you're regurgitating your thoughts and hoping that I'll bend to you will.

I won't. Please, do better.

If all it took was fun to be the initiative for raiding as its own reward, then you'd be looking at a dead raiding scene all across this game as well as many other MMO's. Fun is a subjective element for everyone involved and while yes, I do find the raids fun, I'd like some better stuff to be in it that means only people who actually put the time and work, key word, work involved to earn it. I don't want caster DPS from Eureka who do 3,000 DPS carrying my i370 casting gloves when I've had to push 5,500 DPS or better in Savage to earn those.

Time involved =/= better reward than others. It's the skill and coordination involved within Savage. Time has nothing to do with it. The people in Savage earn those rights to have that gear, not because of how long they spent doing it, but because of the hoops of fire and brimstone that they had to jump through in order to get it. The actual bs, one shot KO'd mechanics that can cost an entire clean run and wipe it.

[ElazulHP]

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Then you have not been into Eureka obviously. The whole thing is RNG. RNG to get crystals, RNG to get light, RNG for the stupid NM's to spawn half the time it feels like, and a significant time investment. To keep the chains going in Pagos you also require a significant DPS output otherwise you lose the chain and have to start over again. As to what I what I would do with an equivalent weapon who cares? It should literally not matter at all if there is an alternative to raid tier if it also requires an equal investment in time.

The only thing I hear from you is "Waaah if a non-raider gets a reward equal to me my precious e-peen is going to shrivel up and fall off".

[Sigma-Astra]

Then you have not been into Eureka obviously. The whole thing is RNG. RNG to get crystals, RNG to get light, RNG for the stupid NM's to spawn half the time it feels like, and a significant time investment. To keep the chains going in Pagos you also require a significant DPS output otherwise you lose the chain and have to start over again. As to what I what I would do with an equivalent weapon who cares? It should literally not matter at all if there is an alternative to raid tier if it also requires an equal investment in time.

The only thing I hear from you is "Waaah if a non-raider gets a reward equal to me my precious e-peen is going to shrivel up and fall off".

Can you make a rebuttal that doesn't end in something I expect hearing from my nieces and not a grown adult on the forums...? Literally, you haven't attacked any points of my arguments and when I continue to find and poke holes in your own, you immediately curl into a ball and play the ad hominem because that's all you've got left. And please, don't say you need significant DPS output for the chain, because you don't. You don't need 5,500+ DPS in Eureka.

You're not looking to debate rationally or logically, you're just looking for people to give you validation that your opinions are right and to be told that you're right. :3

You waste your own time and skills in Eureka for your own rewards and I'll waste my time and skills in other content that matters for me. You don't need what I have and I don't need what you have. The time you spend in Eureka does not equal towards the missiles that I dodge in Guardian.

Btw, I'm a girl, I don't have an e-peen. I just have sass. Nice try.

[Magic-Mal]

That's what the OP was getting at actually

Uhh.... Are you really referring to me?