We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[HyoMinPark]

Issue with justifying it with "Its an MMO so expect grind" doesn't justify how disconnected the Pagos portion of Eureka was with the overall feedback from the Anemos portion. Yes you are right any MMO will always have a grind, its a needed factor to continue the longevity of any piece of content lest it fall into irrelevancy like most of the content in this game but on top of being a grind you have to either balance with one of 2 things. The first is the grind must give a reward which justifies the time invested so the player does not feel as if their time was wasted which when you consider Pagos is not a mark that is hit given how accessible i370 weapons have been lately. Second if the grind does not provide a reward that is worth the investment then at least make the grind one that you can find some fun in doing. This is probably the mark most devs want to hit but with the case of XIV it once again fails to hit this mark, a fun grind would be akin to Warframe or Monster Hunter where at times getting what you want might not be the easiest thing, looking at you god damn gems from MH, but the core gameplay that makes up the grind is more than enough to keep people going because its just plain fun.

So while yes an MMO must always be expected to have a grind at the very least try and keep that grind up to some standard especially if its made by a AAA company.

Bourne wasn’t really talking about Eureka, though; they were talking about basic gear progression with regards to things like Tomestone gear and Savage gear. None of this was about Eureka (Anemos or Pagos), but about the progression of gear in this game with regards to individuals that do not want to raid, nor actively do battle content. Maybe you meant to post this in another thread? I’d suggest going back and catching up on the conversation, because it has nothing to do with the design of Pagos at all...

Most of the last couple of pages have been in response to a person that wants to progress their battle gear, but does not want to actively participate in battle content because they dislike battle content.

[Edax]

Bourne wasn’t really talking about Eureka, though; they were talking about basic gear progression with regards to things like Tomestone gear and Savage gear. None of this was about Eureka (Anemos or Pagos), but about the progression of gear in this game with regards to individuals that do not want to raid, nor actively do battle content. Maybe you meant to post this in another thread? I’d suggest going back and catching up on the conversation, because it has nothing to do with the design of Pagos at all...

Most of the last couple of pages have been in response to a person that wants to progress their battle gear, but does not want to actively participate in battle content because they dislike battle content.

As you said, when 4.4 drops, I'll be able to go from to i380 with crafted gear. But having been told that I absolutely don't need it and that I'm not entitled to it, does this mean I should pass up crafting this new gear for myself?

[Dualgunner]

As you said, when 4.4 drops, I'll be able to go from to i380 with crafted gear. But having been told that I absolutely don't need it and that I'm not entitled to it, does this mean I should pass up crafting this new gear for myself?

Sure does look like a fun strawman you just beat up.

[HyoMinPark]

As you said, when 4.4 drops, I'll be able to go from to i380 with crafted gear. But having been told that I absolutely don't need it and that I'm not entitled to it, does this mean I should pass up crafting this new gear for myself?

Not if you're putting in the time and effort for it. You're missing my points entirely - you get gear by putting time and effort towards getting it, not by simply wanting it.

Crafting gear? You craft it yourself, you put effort into it (or buy it with Gil, which you claim to have put effort into making).
Tomestone gear? You run duties and collect tomes to get your gear; you put time and effort towards it. And this take very little of both.
Savage gear? You cleared some of the hardest content in the game for it; you put time and effort into it.


As for the not needing it, that's just the simple truth. Item level capped gear is not necessary for completion of the content you say you do; the content just isn't intense enough to call for it. i350 is overkill for the latest Expert dungeon, for example. Savage gear is extremely overkill for anything that isn't Ultimate (you don't even need i370 to clear Savage).

And again, I question why you are putting all this time into complaining about battle gear progression after repeating that you don't care for battle content and would rather not do it. You like crafting and gathering, which is fine; there is nothing wrong with that. You have plenty of gear progression to do there as well. From the i290 gear to i320 Ala Mhigan to the new i340 gear that will be taking you into the next patch. Or even Scrip gear.

I don't understand your complaints simply because you are complaining about gear progression for content you don't even like, much less want to participate in. And inb4 "my item level has been the same for months", so have a lot of other players' item level. Item level stagnates when people reach cap; it stagnates sooner the faster they gear up, until the next tier of gear is released. And then repeat until the next tier or expansion. Such is the formula of this game; has been for 5 years.

Please go back and read my posts. I honestly feel like you didn't even bother to do so.