Bringing the train back to Pagos?

[hynaku]

I'm level 34 and have 600 Pagos crystals. What find hardest to get that still need 6 of is frosted crystals. They need to get rid of light collecting to get them and make them like how Anemos was. Don't know why they didn't like train when helped out everyone there.

[Sunako]

I'm level 34 and have 600 Pagos crystals. What find hardest to get that still need 6 of is frosted crystals. They need to get rid of light collecting to get them and make them like how Anemos was. Don't know why they didn't like train when helped out everyone there.

It literally force chain killing mobs so you can not just afk until NM spawn. Or you can, but then you have multiple times more pagos crystal than you need compared frosted ones. It is pretty clear SE wanted reduce leeching in eureka, but I think current light farming could be easier than it is right now.

[Derio]

NM Train is the best option if they cant make it to where everyone can play together.

The NM Train helped players of all levels. Where chaining you have to have several restrictions. If you are level 27 and someone is lvl 23 trying to join your party. NOPE cant happen. But with the train everyone is polite and working towards a common goal.

[Hyperia]

As much as I would love to see the train come back, I have little hope that it will. They will keep adjusting the current mode to try and get people to chain mobs. Unless they nerf mobs so heavily that we can aoe packs of them, I won’t bother doing chains.

The train made eureka fun, it’s loss has been greatly felt.

[KisaiTenshi]

NM Train is the best option if they cant make it to where everyone can play together.

The NM Train helped players of all levels. Where chaining you have to have several restrictions. If you are level 27 and someone is lvl 23 trying to join your party. NOPE cant happen. But with the train everyone is polite and working towards a common goal.

The NM Train was an unintended side-effect of how they made NM's spawn, it was borderline cheating, since it allowed players to burn through the content at a rate that allowed them to complete in a day what should have been a months worth of (grind) content, and without levelsync allowed players to be powerleveled with no effort.

[ManuelBravo]

This is what happens when people complain and ruin thing for others lol. While NM Fate trains where a way to speed to content they also ruined it by people standing then and not contributing. SE should have made some kind of counter on mobs that everyone must kill in order to participate to make it count or determine XP multiplier on Fate that would really encourage people to help out.

[Jonnycbad]

NM train made sense for Anemos because Anemos was stage 1 of the SB relic. Just like ARR and HW relics, the requirements and subsequent grinds get steeper as the ilvl increases, thus there's no way Pagos was going to be as smooth as Anemos for getting the i370 relic. This is because if it WAS as easy, and all future Eurekas were as easy with trains, then people would be finishing 3-4 relics fairly easily. Then, what's the point of doing augmented tomestone weapons (which are usually a thing to hold you over till you finish a relic) or even final boss raid weapons?

They had to make the grind longer. Relics are always a grind. How many Garuda (HM) and A1S did you need to do for light grinding for ARR/HW? Luminous Crystal Fates? Crystal Sands and Unidentified Items? Those were all boring and repetitive EXISTING content.

[CrystalRainbow]

I'm not sure what connent is for causal players anymore, Going into pago and Demanding chain 30 up keep for 3 hours isn't my idea of causal.
Raiding isn't Causal.
I thought Relics where for causals to do at there own pace. With the Train, It was fun, I could party With FC member with LS, With friends cross servers, regardless of level.
No I'm basicly stuck with my level group.
The amount of time I have to play means I may get 1 relic done vs the 4 I started in the 1st zone.
I can't pop on for 1 hour and feel like I got stuff done, because it can take 10-20 mins to build find a party with a spot for my wife and I in the same group at our level...

There has to be a better balance act between Chain farming and fate farming.

The best part of the train is the community.
Yes some where Semi AFK.
But Like myself and my wife, We always helped kill mobs as something to do while we waited.
We always popped on a double mounts to give people rides that where to low.
We the community didn't mind coming together as a hole to help everyone even low level people get ahead.
This is the biggest shame in Pagos the community built up with the train idea has been totally broken down.

[Mahrze]

Light and Louhi Ice are the easiest requirement. But as more lvl 35s arrive to the end, the more common you'll see NMs being 'popped' highest 5 NMs can give about have the pagos crystals goal if spawn conditions are consistent.

It feels painful right now because the leveling curve was much steeper now than in Anemos, but it in no ways is any different, outside of them making "NMs harder to spawn".

[LineageRazor]

I'm not sure what connent is for causal players anymore, Going into pago and Demanding chain 30 up keep for 3 hours isn't my idea of causal.

One big mistake commonly made by players is assuming that the relic weapon is meant for casual players. It isn't. It has NEVER been meant for casual players, not in ARR, not in HW, and not now. While the difficulty is low, you're swapping out high difficulty for rather intense levels of grinding. Levels a casual player would never put up with.

Eureka was not meant for casual play. Thanks to the NM train, it BECAME casual friendly, but the NM train was, in all likelihood, an unintended consequence of the way Anemos was designed. Pagos is much more in line with the levels of monotonous, repetitive activity I've come to expect from a Relic weapon.