Bringing the train back to Pagos?

[Dragoon4life]

If not the train, then leves or quests like beast tribe. Something needs to be done about the horrible content. Anyone below 32 can’t really benifit from NMs and that stinks.

[KuuroYuuki]

nm train is useless imo. I'm on EL34. need 6m exp to max lvl,but nm only provide 100k-200k exp/run(louhi lv 35 =200k exp) while exp chain provide 200k-500k exp/30 chain.

if there is nm train in pagos you still need ~30x kill louhi to max lvl

[Nixxe]

nm train is useless imo. I'm on EL34. need 6m exp to max lvl,but nm only provide 100k-200k exp/run(louhi lv 35 =200k exp) while exp chain provide 200k-500k exp/30 chain.

if there is nm train in pagos you still need ~30x kill louhi to max lvl

Louhi is 290k XP.

I don't really think people asking for the NM train care that much about peak efficiency though. They just hate grinding and want to be able to come and go more freely and actually feel like they have a moment to spare without screwing over their party by letting the chain drop while still making reasonable progress.

[drgonzo]

What I am reading in this thread... Bring back trains so I can Netflix and let someone else spawn the NMs. Yeah I hope they keep it just as it is until they nerf it in January or December. Also the relic is not the casual weapon really just based on the time required. Your charity nub casual weapon is your upgraded tomestone weapon.

[JonBigwood]

I'm level 34 and have 600 Pagos crystals. What find hardest to get that still need 6 of is frosted crystals. They need to get rid of light collecting to get them and make them like how Anemos was. Don't know why they didn't like train when helped out everyone there.

I think probably the Japanese system of being at the start point doing nothing until the NM spawned was more important for the developers' decision. The train does not seem such a bad thing, people socialised and helped each other. Doing nothing at the base did not, I suppose. NA and EU might well not be the central decision target population.

[JonBigwood]

The NM Train was an unintended side-effect of how they made NM's spawn, it was borderline cheating, since it allowed players to burn through the content at a rate that allowed them to complete in a day what should have been a months worth of (grind) content, and without levelsync allowed players to be powerleveled with no effort.

Maybe it is this. Other relics took one or two months for each relic step and one class. In Anemos we could have all the relics in two months. BUT (big but) these last relic steps arrive late compared to other weapons. In a couple of weeks we have a new patch with a new weapon one step over the present ones that likely will take 7 tokens of the new 4th normal raid plus 1000 new tomestones.

[JonBigwood]

What I am reading in this thread... Bring back trains so I can Netflix and let someone else spawn the NMs. Yeah I hope they keep it just as it is until they nerf it in January or December. Also the relic is not the casual weapon really just based on the time required. Your charity nub casual weapon is your upgraded tomestone weapon.

With the notorious monsters spawn, the high level people did all and all the rest were carried. Even level 19 do very low damage when you try to spawn Pazuzu and the level 20s are the ones doing the work. The same for killing him. It feels nice to help lower level people when you have been helped before. Also when you raise people, and when you help them to cross difficult places. The feeling of being in a hostile place with monsters that can one shoot you is horrible (exciting if all ends well you could say), but the fact that there are people that help you and raise you is very good.

[SieyaM]

I really feel that Pagos could use some Daily quests or something that give out crystals or exp to kind of help it along a little. The weekly log is nice but I have a feeling that completing every challenge in the log will stop giving you levels around 30 or so.

[Deus-ExMachina]

What I am reading in this thread... Bring back trains so I can Netflix and let someone else spawn the NMs. Yeah I hope they keep it just as it is until they nerf it in January or December. Also the relic is not the casual weapon really just based on the time required. Your charity nub casual weapon is your upgraded tomestone weapon.

Ironically most NMs are not spawned by big groups of players but mostly 1 or 2 partys chaining the required mobs which technically makes everyone else a "Netflix watcher" that did not contribute in spawning that particular NM yet still flocking there like sheep once they see it on the map.

Bonus points for chaining mobs that do not spawn NMs while literally running over to every available Fate thinking that other people are a bunch of lazy folks for joining the fate despite not contributing to spawning it while claiming moral highground for beeing smart to combine chaining exp/light efficient mobs with doing occasional Fates spawned by other people.

Ultimately yes there were people afking the whole time in Anemos only to reap the rewards at the end but in Pagos it is kinda the same only coated in a different paint. Now you have people grinding mobs that will never spawn a NM because its either more efficient exp or light wise, basically only farming for themselfs while still reaping the rewards others achieved by killing the sufficient amount of the needed mobs to spawn a specific NM.

Objectivly speaking I dare to say that almost all people that are lvl 35 (me included) "leeched" at some point the rewards of the hard work of other people that spawned a Fate be it intentional or not.

[Nixxe]

Objectivly speaking I dare to say that almost all people that are lvl 35 (me included) "leeched" at some point the rewards of the hard work of other people that spawned a Fate be it intentional or not.

Yeah, there were several levels where I wanted to finish the level, but didn't have it in me to join a group to chain some dumb thing or another for an hour or two after having already spent 10 hours or so that day doing exactly that, so I just half-afked in the base and teleported to whatever NMs spawned.