Is this why Pagos was delayed?

[Maero]

I did like the chat and Anemos was not too bad because the players made it more enjoyable, take away from that it is still the same recycled content which is fates.
There should be a better synch in levels in that people can be level 30 while others 25 or so and all still get the exp

Also let's face it Relic was super late to be introduced and this next step is very behind and very obsolete, Relic is pretty much just glam this entire expansion (minus maybe 1 month it may be relevant)

[LaylaTsarra]

Not everyone enjoyed the train ride.

The number of threads on this forum decrying the AFK train and how worthless it was were countless. People here supposedly hated it. Now we have a release where people can't afk to level their roles and they aren't happy, they want the afk train back. SE can't win regardless of what they do.

[Deceptus]

The number of threads on this forum decrying the AFK train and how worthless it was were countless. People here supposedly hated it. Now we have a release where people can't afk to level their roles and they aren't happy, they want the afk train back. SE can't win regardless of what they do.

People want a decent return on their time invested. The FATE train existed because individual mob exp sucked, just like Pagos.

[LaylaTsarra]

People want a decent return on their time invested. The FATE train existed because individual mob exp sucked, just like Pagos.

Working in a party with members of about the same level and farming mobs about 5 levels above your level yields excellent xp return. It is harder, yes. It's a lot more work. The point is people didn't want the afk train and if you look at the standard replies here they want it back.

[BillyKaplan]

The number of threads on this forum decrying the AFK train and how worthless it was were countless. People here supposedly hated it. Now we have a release where people can't afk to level their roles and they aren't happy, they want the afk train back. SE can't win regardless of what they do.

SE can't win because SE went against the vast majority of their feedback regarding Anemos. A lot of people hated the train but for most people, it was anywhere from what made Anemos bearable, to what made Anemos fun. So of course if SE took that and threw it away, they "can't win" - they basically shot themselves in the foot, how do you expect them to win the race?

Also, people want the train back, the afk is implied but uncertain. People complain about their hands and arms hurting, about being bored out of their mind, about being forced to stay in one place all the time. These are all things the train solved and SE no longer allows. But yeah, sure, people just want to afk, what can I tell you.

[Arkdra]

The number of threads on this forum decrying the AFK train and how worthless it was were countless. People here supposedly hated it. Now we have a release where people can't afk to level their roles and they aren't happy, they want the afk train back. SE can't win regardless of what they do.

Se absolutely can win. The problem with anemos wasn't the train it's that it was really boring. One of the most boring pieces of content added to the game. As it turns out, this is the same problem with Pagos. So SE can win by designing some content that isn't kill a billion hp inflated trash mobs and also fight some fate bosses with no interesting mechanics.

Or bring back the old relic, I was fine with that.

[LaylaTsarra]

Se absolutely can win. The problem with anemos wasn't the train it's that it was really boring. One of the most boring pieces of content added to the game. As it turns out, this is the same problem with Pagos. So SE can win by designing some content that isn't kill a billion hp inflated trash mobs and also fight some fate bosses with no interesting mechanics.

Or bring back the old relic, I was fine with that.

I did all the relics and some would say i got too many of them not just on my main but on my alts. Anemos was super easy and one could get not only one relic but all of them as well as full gear sets if one had a mindset for the grind. I have 8 toons at 20 so I know all about Anemos.

My comments here aren't that improvements couldn't be made to what is or was at the moment, but that this forum will complain regardless of what they do. The number of threads about how worthless Eureka was here sure didn't appear to reflect the constantly full instances and people spending time there getting their relics. And my observation was that most seemed to enjoy the AFK train.

I reserve judgement still given it's just the first week and many are still leveling so whether or not we'll see more of a train as time goes by remains to be seen. The one thing i don't like is that parties are somewhat difficult to put together and the new chaining of mobs isn't friend friendly given is your friends aren't at your level they are basically not going to fit in with your needs for mob grinding. Eureka Anemos I could take a level 1 friend with me and get them to do the train with me and everyone else.

[BillyKaplan]

The number of threads about how worthless Eureka was here sure didn't appear to reflect the constantly full instances and people spending time there getting their relics.

When you look at it like that, A1S and ARF are two of the most successful pieces of content ever released in this game...

[InkstainedGwyn]

It's my feeling that the "over the next week and beyond" statement is a loophole in case we keep complaining - and we absolutely should. It died down about Anemos because we realised there was a way to make it not terrible, and they weren't going to rewrite it, so let's just get it out of the way. That's not happening here. Despite what a few players try to say, Pagos does not get bearable at the higher levels. If there's a few successful situations of several NMs popping in succession, it's few and far between and even then it's such a steep curve to be able to get to a viable level/location to get to them that it's still not fun for a majority of players.

They can't remake Pagos, I know that, but it's a heck of a lot easier to give us back the things that made Anemos bearable.

[InkstainedGwyn]

And for the record, we complained about Anemos and the train because we were hoping that they'd realise it was an overall terribly designed concept and we wanted them to not make the same mistake for part 2. Which... they then proceeded to make the same mistakes and more. Don't tell us to suck it up and stop complaining just because you, personally, either like the content or you've decided that what you're doing is bearable. You're allowed to like it... just as we're allowed to hate it.