Ok, lets do it, WHAT is wrong with this game?

[Rymm]

WoW for example and you'll be amazed by how much more variety there is

Uh, I'm not sure which WoW you're referring to, but over the dozen years or so that I played it, the vast majority of quests there boiled down to "kill X number of Y mobs," "kill X mobs until you get Y number of Z item," "pick up X number of Y items off the ground," "go to X location and use Y item," or (more rarely) "escort X npc from point Y to Z." FF14 has pretty much all the same quest types (granted, the last one you see more often in fates than actual quests.) The one thing that WoW did have less of than FF14 was the number of back-and-forth "talk to this npc, then that one, then the first one again" quests. But SE seem to be cutting down on those here, so that's actually kinda nice.

[Hypnotic13371337]

Uh, I'm not sure which WoW you're referring to, but over the dozen years or so that I played it, the vast majority of quests there boiled down to "kill X number of Y mobs," "kill X mobs until you get Y number of Z item," "pick up X number of Y items off the ground," "go to X location and use Y item," or (more rarely) "escort X npc from point Y to Z." FF14 has pretty much all the same quest types (granted, the last one you see more often in fates than actual quests.) The one thing that WoW did have less of than FF14 was the number of back-and-forth "talk to this npc, then that one, then the first one again" quests. But SE seem to be cutting down on those here, so that's actually kinda nice.

Well, nowadays they have things like "Vehicle quests" where you either use a mount/shredder/something you can ride that has its own set of abilities to use while you are in it (Plants versus Zombies is a sidequest randomly placed in Hillsbrad). Treasures, there are a bunch of items not tracked on your map or are related for any quests that you can find and hunt down for a bit of lore, money and a few quests worth of EXP. Things like Garrison Abilities that give each zone of the expansion have a bit of unique personality as it lets you pick between two abilities that you will gain and can use only in that zone.

There is a lot more that wow has added since those 12 years ago, but i recently had picked it up because of the lull in 14 so not sure what more they added XD

[Rymm]

There is a lot more that wow has added since those 12 years ago,

Just to clarify since you seemed to miss it, I said I played WoW for 12 years, not that I played it 12 years ago. And back when mounted combat was first added in WotLK, most players haaaaaaaaaated it. It took around four expansions of them tweaking it to get it to the point where it was even tolerable and the bulk of the playerbase would still rather do without it. That's not something I would like to see here.

But the quests in WoW are at least worth doing them to earn exp and gold. Here they are just an annoying thing that unlocks stuff sometimes.

I've never really had a problem with the amount of xp that FF14 quests give and this game already has a problem with an over-abundance of gil. Flooding the economy with more and not adding any new gil sinks (something we desperately need already) would only make matters worse in that regard.

[Hypnotic13371337]

Just to clarify since you seemed to miss it, I said I played WoW for 12 years, not that I played it 12 years ago. And back when mounted combat was first added in WotLK, most players haaaaaaaaaated it. It took around four expansions of them tweaking it to get it to the point where it was even tolerable and the bulk of the playerbase would still rather do without it. That's not something I would like to see here.

Ahh, I gotcha. But as for the mechanic of the "Vehicle quests" in 14.... that last msq quest was like one o.o

[Ilan]

Just to clarify since you seemed to miss it, I said I played WoW for 12 years, not that I played it 12 years ago. And back when mounted combat was first added in WotLK, most players haaaaaaaaaated it. It took around four expansions of them tweaking it to get it to the point where it was even tolerable and the bulk of the playerbase would still rather do without it. That's not something I would like to see here.


I've never really had a problem with the amount of xp that FF14 quests give and this game already has a problem with an over-abundance of gil. Flooding the economy with more and not adding any new gil sinks (something we desperately need already) would only make matters worse in that regard.

If you want to level in FF14 you'll ignore quests and run dungeons until you can't see them anymore or PotD after it came out, you can't tell me that you've levelt good with the quests here. We only have a problem with too much gil because of the very intelligent players who buy gil and because there is absolutly nothing worth buying ingame what doesn't come from other players.

[Rymm]

If you want to level in FF14 you'll ignore quests and run dungeons until you can't see them anymore or PotD after it came out, you can't tell me that you've levelt good with the quests here.

The quest xp is fine for the amount of xp it takes to lvl. If anything dungeons and PotD give disproportionately more than they should, but that comes from people wanting faster and faster methods of leveling. I wouldn't mind them adjusting quest xp, as long as they smoothed PotD/dungeons and the overall xp to level up as well so that they were all balanced against each other. In my experience, the MSQ and the specific dungeons it requires you to complete are enough to level one job to the cap without any side quests/PotD grinding. Sidequests I left for my alt jobs; usually I did them between dps dungeon queues.

We only have a problem with too much gil because of the very intelligent players who buy gil

Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there. I've more gil than I need even after buying a home (the biggest gil-sink in game) for myself, one for my husband, and one for our FC. I've never once bought gold in any MMO, let alone FF14. Gil sellers are a blip on the larger issue of the messed-up economy in the game. We need more gil sinks; mounts, pets, any sort of cosmetic item they can throw at us (and honestly a lot of the cash shop items should be sold for in-game currency to siphon off some of the excess, but that's another discussion on it's own.) Regardless, throwing more gil at players will only exacerbate the problem, certainly not fix it.

-The distinct impression that jpn playerbase is given far more attention than other regions.

This one is probably my second biggest gripe with the game, after the spaghetti code and its related issues.

I've never played on the JP servers or visited their forum, so I can't really say if it is actually better there or that is just an accusation that has been repeated so often it's been accepted as fact. Either way, I have felt on multiple occasions that there is a communication barrier between the playerbase and the devs/mods, and that it has been put in place and maintained by SE's own doing. It really feels like we have been blithely ignored and in some extreme cases actively silenced.

[Ilan]

The quest xp is fine for the amount of xp it takes to lvl. If anything dungeons and PotD give disproportionately more than they should, but that comes from people wanting faster and faster methods of leveling. I wouldn't mind them adjusting quest xp, as long as they smoothed PotD/dungeons and the overall xp to level up as well so that they were all balanced against each other. In my experience, the MSQ and the specific dungeons it requires you to complete are enough to level one job to the cap without any side quests/PotD grinding. Sidequests I left for my alt jobs; usually I did them between dps dungeon queues.

Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there. I've more gil than I need even after buying a home (the biggest gil-sink in game) for myself, one for my husband, and one for our FC. I've never once bought gold in any MMO, let alone FF14. Gil sellers are a blip on the larger issue of the messed-up economy in the game. We need more gil sinks; mounts, pets, any sort of cosmetic item they can throw at us (and honestly a lot of the cash shop items should be sold for in-game currency to siphon off some of the excess, but that's another discussion on it's own.) Regardless, throwing more gil at players will only exacerbate the problem, certainly not fix it.

Quests are useless for leveling, but its ok if you think they give you enough.

You gonna stop me right there? Then tell me, how you've got your gil? Only from questing and the mighty drops? I guess its more likely that you made most money with the marketboard which comes from other players and with that from gil buyers because everyone has gil of them in his/her pockets, doesn't matter if its around 1000 corners. I wouldn't mind if there would be a system to sink the amount of gil if it is usefull and not just making everything more expensive because this will just piss players off and thats understandable.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Quests are useless for leveling, but its ok if you think they give you enough.

You gonna stop me right there? Then tell me, how you've got your gil? Only from questing and the mighty drops? I guess its more likely that you made most money with the marketboard which comes from other players and with that from gil buyers because everyone has gil of them in his/her pockets, doesn't matter if its around 1000 corners. I wouldn't mind if there would be a system to sink the amount of gil if it is usefull and not just making everything more expensive because this will just piss players off and thats understandable.

Most of my gil came from tank roulettes and maps.

I have a large FC house, medium personal house, and 53mil. I've made 2mil in the last 2 weeks just off roulettes.

[Rymm]

Quests are useless for leveling, but its ok if you think they give you enough.

Quests are useful for leveling, but it's okay if you don't think they give you enough.
(Aren't opinions just wonderful?)

I guess its more likely that you made most money with the marketboard which comes from other players and with that from gil buyers because everyone has gil of them in his/her pockets, doesn't matter if its around 1000 corners.

I'm curious as to where you think gil sellers' gil actually comes from. They don't materialize it out of thin air, they just consolidate what is already moving through the economy. As far as I know, most of it comes from gathering bots who, now stay with me here, sell their wares on the MB to other players. That's right, the gil sellers's obtain gil that has been "produced" by legitimate means. So, if your supposition is correct (dubious on its own,) then it isn't a matter of "everyone has gil of them in his/her pockets" so much as "everyone has gil that has passed through gil sellers' hands in his/her pockets."

[Ilan]

Uh, I'm not sure which WoW you're referring to, but over the dozen years or so that I played it, the vast majority of quests there boiled down to "kill X number of Y mobs," "kill X mobs until you get Y number of Z item," "pick up X number of Y items off the ground," "go to X location and use Y item," or (more rarely) "escort X npc from point Y to Z." FF14 has pretty much all the same quest types (granted, the last one you see more often in fates than actual quests.) The one thing that WoW did have less of than FF14 was the number of back-and-forth "talk to this npc, then that one, then the first one again" quests. But SE seem to be cutting down on those here, so that's actually kinda nice.

But the quests in WoW are at least worth doing them to earn exp and gold. Here they are just an annoying thing that unlocks stuff sometimes.