So, how is Pagos?

[Cylla]

It's not SE mistake the players dumbness.
NM train is the last phase of Eureka, the first phase is the grind, a lot of players needs to level up with the grind to be able to push the NM train easily.
But players are lazy, while everyone is grinding to make the NM real, them are here complaining.

You know.. there this thing called, "opinions" and people are allowed to have such things.
You coming here and insulting people for having opinions on content that is not enjoyable to them just make you look bad.
If you enjoy it so much, then why are you here bothering us so called, "lazy" "dumb" people, hm?
200k says you're standing in pagos right now replying.
Take a few to think about that ^.-

[InkstainedGwyn]

Found the ESO player. (And I agree, I love the open world in ESO).

ESO, LotRO, SWtOR... I loved collectables in Rift and EQ2, things like that. I like finding random odds-and-ends. Even back in WoW where you could find quest stuff, chests, rare mobs, that sort of thing.

[Darkplanet]

I was one of those people who really liked anemos, and I mean there are neat things about pagos. The most fun vie had with it was adventuring into high level areas with 3 people dodging enemies. it was like we were on an actual adventure and it was quite nice honestly. The bunny thing is kinda cool, its pretty. But honestly I got burned out nearly immediately... like I'm gonna get to 35 and get my relics cause relics are what I do but man its a struggle. they made it so chain killing gives you more exp and it works but like its also just makes it really difficult to work? like I have yet to find a group that can dps the enemies fast enough, so its like you need to kill higher lvl mobs for good exp but it takes too long to kill them so your chain fails half way thro 90% of the time, so its like weird? also major issues with other people stealing your mobs if its crowded, there's like a flip ton of mobs around so this doesn't happen but it still does. idk just bizarre and I think unbalanced in a lot of ways. the NM train is half dead but still a thing, nm's don't give as much exp, and take flipping forever to spawn, like does anyone else think it is taking longer? The challenge log was good for literally one day. My number one suggestion is make the challenge log daily or every few days reset. So you would then have 3 different ways to level, and all of them intersect in some way, once a week is fairly useless for people who are spending hours and hours daily. Also its frustrating cause I feel like I'm spending hours and hours but people are just flying ahead of me in levels, maybe I'm not doing it right idk.

so in all its just painful so far, maybe things will change by next week but right now I'm having a hard time feeling the urge to struggle thro it, and like I said I thought anemos turned out pretty good! its just pagos is tweaked weird and it feels off imo.

[Fluffya]

Its just that the mobs are overtune, and not by a little.

I had the elemental buff (att up/def up/xp up) so i decided to finish my challenge log solo.

A lvl 21 mob, same lvl as me, had me dual cast vercure two time before i kill it, with the buff. In comparaison, its like fighting a lvl3 mob as a lvl1 in anemos.

I dont even know how SE will make Pagos viable once outdated because even the buff isnt enough right now.

[Lord_Umbra]

It's not SE mistake the players dumbness.
NM train is the last phase of Eureka, the first phase is the grind, a lot of players needs to level up with the grind to be able to push the NM train easily.
But players are lazy, while everyone is grinding to make the NM real, them are here complaining.
But when the NM train is placed, all of them will be clapping the content.
And will be the same thing with Logos.

I find it funny, that the MAJORITY said that Anemos was trash and that they would unsub. But look at everyone, they were all lvl 20 at launch day of Pagos, and are here now complaining.

Pagos and anemos are NOT the same, is everyone blind? Can't you see is a ENTIRE NEW MAP, every monster is different than anemos.
I'm lv 24 and I already saw a lot of things improved. Some monsters that does not spawn NM have a chance to grow up and give a HUGE xp when defeated. With the right chain, it can give absurd amount. I killed once with chain 30 (500%) and it gave nearly 60k.
It's good to have some time with friends, even with strangers, I tend to chat a lot during grind. It's actually so much better than to keep farming tomes for other 2 past relics, that was HELL.

It's hardly laziness for most, I just did 400+ runs on floor 21-30 of HoH it's ridiculous that they placed another heavy grind content after a heavy grind content HoH or Pagos should've been at front end of the patch. I'd wager many players burnt themselves out on grinding content from HoH.

The NM train certainly wasn't last phase it was end of week 1 phase when servers would have 20 - 30% in instance maxed/near maxed level & helped level everyone in the server.
Sure people who said they would unsubbed but thing is maybe they stayed subbed for other content & not *gasp* Eureka.

They actually are same though just because put some different models inside & made them slightly larger then are in world & wowwee they grow large or change model.. while interesting it only offers +200%xp which is nice but it can happen so rarely it's a worthless feature. The map is new sure but it's design is awful as pretty as it is it feels like I'm back on Sea of clouds or Churning Mist with how many choke pokes & walls are to try stop players it's an annoying map to navigate compare to Anemos more large open area'd map, it's not terrible but I don't think it's an amazing map.

You defend this but say that farming tomes was hard.. you had numerous dungeons/ trials/ raids/ Beast Tribes to farm Tomes, you could much like with current tomes cap them in an hour or 2 when unlocked you can repeat that easily to constantly have 2k tomes.

I begrudgingly do this content as currently on my way to el24 I'm here for my Glam Weapons & then like Anemos I wont touch it again, I can put up with stuff I don't like part of everyday life Pagos is a bore & brings no MAJOR changes to the Eureka formula.

[MomomiMomi]

ESO, LotRO, SWtOR... I loved collectables in Rift and EQ2, things like that. I like finding random odds-and-ends. Even back in WoW where you could find quest stuff, chests, rare mobs, that sort of thing.

It's a shame this game has pretty much nothing like that at all. I was sitting idle staring at the world the other day and couldn't help but see that there was nothing there. Just a very large, empty map.

[InkstainedGwyn]

It's a shame this game has pretty much nothing like that at all. I was sitting idle staring at the world the other day and couldn't help but see that there was nothing there. Just a very large, empty map.

I've thought about that quite a bit, I think it comes down to "competition" - the only real competition you have in this game is for loot, housing, & in PVP. Maybe hunts, but even those are on a predictable timer - and as long as you contribute, you get the gains. They've really gotten rid of a lot of the griefing in the game by removing anything that you could fight another character over. There's no racing each other to the khorium node that just spawned or the rare mob that spawns on an erratic timer and only gives loot to the first person to tag it.

It's unfortunately a sad trade for a more peaceful situation - I remember vanilla wow, BC days, and the playerbase was one of the reasons I quit. Not all of that was because of competition, of course, and we still have unpleasant people here, but you're not going to have someone screaming obscenities at you because you got to a treasure chest before they did. Of course, I'm good with my blacklist, so I don't know if it's a choice I would have made - I really do love those random exploring items. But I see what they were going for.

At least, though, they could give us lore nodes like SWtOR has. Those aren't competition, and it's at least some reward for exploring. Especially in, as Theodric said, a game that is known for it's lore and is incredibly story-based.

[Kyu-Momo]

Update on the Japanese side of things, people *really* don't like Happy Bunnies and there are a few comments starting to pop up that Pagos is frustrating. Even a comment about how they don't like that the mount is not available.

There is hope yet.

Ooh, well that's good at least. Thanks for keeping us updated!

[Teraluna]

Definition of Pagos:
There's a 3m high wall that needs painting, here's a 5mm brush for you to do it.
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[Solarra]

How's Pagos? Short answer - Awful

The nerf to the NM spawns means a lot of punishing combat for very little reward. I've been in four times now and I'm seeing only one or maybe two NMs per session.

The Challenge Log gives good xp but causes issues with players now having lots of different objectives. It's hard to find a group where everyone works together if you don't do it straight after reset.

People seem a lot less helpful than they were in Anemos (probably due to the high risk of losing a huge chunk of XP if you try to be a 'good samaritan')

The bunny fates are just annoying, got gold 3 times and no bunny. Then again, the two people I know who did get the bunny got one grade V materia and a lizard tongue. I haven't bothered since.

It's hard (at least on EU Datacentre) to find people willing to co-operate and communicate with each other.
I've been in parties that broke because no one could agree what mobs to kill for the challenge log or because people just weren't prepared to kill mobs they didn't need personally.
Other parties people didn't seem to understand how to chain and ran round hitting stuff we hadn't pulled and totally ignoring the red mobs.
One memorable party where everyone bar two of us was afk...

It's been an exercise in frustration so far and it's caused my RSI to flare. Since the weapon is going to be outdated almost as soon as we get it, I am seriously considering not going back in.