[Dev 1081] Achievements

[Arximiro]

People are just going to trade the gear around to get the achievement for everyone.. Is that really something you guys think we should be rewarded for? I could understand an achievement like get all 7 Ifrit weapons, or get all of some R/ex set of armor that will be introduced in the future, but doing it with items that you can trade seems kind of pointless.

[Avraym]

People are just going to trade the gear around to get the achievement for everyone.. Is that really something you guys think we should be rewarded for? I could understand an achievement like get all 7 Ifrit weapons, or get all of some R/ex set of armor that will be introduced in the future, but doing it with items that you can trade seems kind of pointless.

Very true. I'm sure there will be people retorting, "Who cares, its just an achievement", but lets be honest, exploitable "achievement" is exploitable. Especially when people are getting rewards for these achievements.

And just when we thought the Dev's were giving us something that wasn't a free hand out like everything else in this game.

[Jennestia]

And just when we thought the Dev's were giving us something that wasn't a free hand out like everything else in this game.

I'll use one of your sig quotes to explain this however slightly edited:

"Welcome to 2010/2011 MMORPGs"

In reality, achievements in any MMO is easily exploitable no matter what when you think about it, there's always some way to get around a requirement, it's usually one of the flaws of these kind of achievements which is why some devs tie it to multiple requirements, though that would have just annoyed players (given how people got annoyed by a 5% surcharge..)

[Avraym]

In reality, achievements in any MMO is easily exploitable no matter what when you think about it, there's always some way to get around a requirement

Really? If they had made the same achievements apply only to EX Gear, would it still be exploitable?

[normalforce]

Really? If they had made the same achievements apply only to EX Gear, would it still be exploitable?

Sure! Just not to the same extent as simply getting traded the armor set, putting it on and then talking to an NPC.

For the EX Gear, all I need to be is in the same party as the person that opened the chest or defeated the NM and I could be passed the gear. Don't have to do any actual fighting.

[Avraym]

Sure! Just not to the same extent as simply getting traded the armor set, putting it on and then talking to an NPC.

For the EX Gear, all I need to be is in the same party as the person that opened the chest or defeated the NM and I could be passed the gear. Don't have to do any actual fighting.

I'm talking more about Dungeon EX Gear.

[Arcell]

Very true. I'm sure there will be people retorting, "Who cares, its just an achievement", but lets be honest, exploitable "achievement" is exploitable. Especially when people are getting rewards for these achievements.

And just when we thought the Dev's were giving us something that wasn't a free hand out like everything else in this game.

So a small handful of achievements are available easily through a loophole. End of the fucking world guys, might as well just shut the server down. The entire achievement system is a complete failure because of this.

Please, give me a break. It's only a couple of current sets and future sets (as was stated above) will probably be U/U anyway so it won't be as easy to get those achievements. They weren't designed as "free handouts". It's rewarding you for having the full set.

[Avraym]

They weren't designed as "free handouts". It's rewarding you for having the full set.

A flawed design at best. Granted, its almost unavoidable, but given that, they shouldn't of even included them.

They should of made achievements for obtainable gear wearing only on EX Items. There, problem solved.

I'm just tired of the hand outs. And the achievement system seemed to be the opposite of that.

[Arcell]

A flawed design at best. Granted, its almost unavoidable, but given that, they shouldn't of even included them.

They should of made achievements for obtainable gear wearing only on EX Items. There, problem solved.

I'm just tired of the hand outs. And the achievement system seemed to be the opposite of that.

Because of a small handful, an insignificant fraction of achievements the entire system is now hand outs? It's still as it sounded, not handouts. You still have to work for every other achievement in the book. Also using the loophole for the gear achievement is optional. You could always get it the hard way.

You know, for players who want to get it the hard way it's pretty fucking hard. 400 Faction points a try after you've cleared the first two tiers, not to mention drops are not guaranteed. You've got to grind leves (which most people don't bother with these days) just to get the points to even try.

Not including them just because of a small loophole is ridiculous as well. They were for a time the hardest gear to get in the game. Not the best necessarily but definitely up there on difficulty.