Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Awha]

Except a parser can only accurately display information in a raid setting. Jobs like Monk, Bard, Machinist, Paladin and Dark Knight all rely on other jobs for a good portion of their damage. Furthermore, how are players going to improve if they can't compare themselves to someone better? 4,500 DPS to an inexperienced Dragoon may look fantastic yet those were my numbers at the beginning of Deltascape. Putting all that aside, a personal improvement will have the same results as a public one; people will demand you show your numbers and hold you accounting in harder end content should you lie. To which I say, why is this such a bad things? Personal or public, why should the expectation be veteran players carry bad or inexperienced players in farm or weeklies parties? If the group's okay with helping out, that's one thing. It shouldn't be the expectation though.

And as Moro said, no one has ever shown where parsers are specifically to blame for supposed toxicity. I can point to arguably more examples of casual players mocking others under the assumption they're doing good damage. In fact, I've been on the receiving end of such a laughable example. When you're being mocked by a SAM pulling sub 4k while you've been dead on the floor and still beating them. I sincerely doubt he had a parse going or he wouldn't have said two words.

Didn't an event host get mocked over poor performance, granted ACT played very little when it came to this indecent but I can only assume for Yoshi-P it was a factor. That factor alone is enough for him to never consider the idea. I do not think it is matter of convincing the community more so convincing a lead developer that thought it was a good idea to remove PvP chat from feast due to actions of few players, or patch out methods players found to work around mailing items to their own characters in fear of RMT.

Either way I do not think it is fair to think the abuse does not happen because people do not show screen shots. I have friends in discord that have trolled others players over their numbers. From my personal experience most players that are victims to the such harassment are often out of touch of all the resources and information regarding the game. Though if you ask around certain circles it is not uncommon for players to abuse the tool to make light of others. Once again ACT playsed very little in the act, but for many the view it as a factor. I am in the camp jerks will be jerks, but for some they and I feel for Yoshi-P they feel the need to limit the tools such players can use in harm others.

Sort of like those that wish to ban all firearms, sure it does not make sense in the grand scheme of things, but to a degree I understand the notion. I guess for those that it happens to for whatever reason for them it is a real issue / fear.

I do feel the current status quo is fine, sure I wish the current system was opt-in instead of out. That will never happen though since FFlogs gains no benefit in doing so.

[Ryskim]

Now that’s a mighty wall o’ text you got there. Please use some paragraphs, thank you.

[MoroMurasaki]

Didn't an event host get mocked over poor performance, granted ACT played very little when it came to this indecent but I can only assume for Yoshi-P it was a factor. That factor alone is enough for him to never consider the idea. I do not think it is matter of convincing the community more so convincing a lead developer that thought it was a good idea to remove PvP chat from feast due to actions of few players, or patch out methods players found to work around mailing items to their own characters in fear of RMT.

Either way I do not think it is fair to think the abuse does not happen because people do not show screen shots. I have friends in discord that have trolled others players over their numbers. From my personal experience most players that are victims to the such harassment are often out of touch of all the resources and information regarding the game. Though if you ask around certain circles it is not uncommon for players to abuse the tool to make light of others. Once again ACT playsed very little in the act, but for many the view it as a factor. I am in the camp jerks will be jerks, but for some they and I feel for Yoshi-P they feel the need to limit the tools such players can use in harm others.

Sort of like those that wish to ban all firearms, sure it does not make sense in the grand scheme of things, but to a degree I understand the notion. I guess for those that it happens to for whatever reason for them it is a real issue / fear.

I do feel the current status quo is fine, sure I wish the current system was opt-in instead of out. That will never happen though since FFlogs gains no benefit in doing so.

The Koike incident was a one-off. That's like banning McDonalds because one person ate too much of it and had a heart attack.

The vast majority of people can control themselves in relation to commenting on other players dps even in high-end content, I know this because frankly I do rather poor dps as a WHM in Savage and I have rarely had a clear of any fight without at least some pugs. No one has ever pressured me to do better. I even have a grey parse on RDM, again never any pressure to even look at what I was doing wrong.

At the end of the day if the devs are going to let one incident kneecap the entire ps4 playerbase as well as put their PC users in an awkward position of "can I or can't I?" I'm left wondering why one person's feelings are worth more than the rest of ours.

If there was any truth to the rumor that parsing players are just roasting poor dps we would see it everywhere. People are much more likely to talk about negative experiences but... where are the stories? The screenshots? The video? I see none of it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The devs probably think that if they do anything to parsers, it will blow up the high end raiding game and as a result, will create a ton of bad press. Bad press is toxic to any business so they will stay away from this as much as possible. If somebody is caught online being blatant about parsing, they will deal with that individual as they will have chat logs on the server but that will be the extent to the enforcement

Unless there is a massive groundswell from the community to ban them, they will continue to exist.

It will kill the raid scene. Even non-speed kill players use FFlogs as a means to keep themselves entertained by constantly trying to beat their previous score. If that were all taken away, Savage literally exists for Ultimate gear and serves no other proper. The fun factor dies when you've cleared it 4, 5, 6 times, thus chasing and improve your score is all that's left. Frankly, it's the main reason they haven't even tried to get rid of parsers. They know it will all but destroy their raid scene.

Didn't an event host get mocked over poor performance, granted ACT played very little when it came to this indecent but I can only assume for Yoshi-P it was a factor. That factor alone is enough for him to never consider the idea. I do not think it is matter of convincing the community more so convincing a lead developer that thought it was a good idea to remove PvP chat from feast due to actions of few players, or patch out methods players found to work around mailing items to their own characters in fear of RMT.

Either way I do not think it is fair to think the abuse does not happen because people do not show screen shots. I have friends in discord that have trolled others players over their numbers. From my personal experience most players that are victims to the such harassment are often out of touch of all the resources and information regarding the game. Though if you ask around certain circles it is not uncommon for players to abuse the tool to make light of others. Once again ACT playsed very little in the act, but for many the view it as a factor. I am in the camp jerks will be jerks, but for some they and I feel for Yoshi-P they feel the need to limit the tools such players can use in harm others.

Sort of like those that wish to ban all firearms, sure it does not make sense in the grand scheme of things, but to a degree I understand the notion. I guess for those that it happens to for whatever reason for them it is a real issue / fear.

I do feel the current status quo is fine, sure I wish the current system was opt-in instead of out. That will never happen though since FFlogs gains no benefit in doing so.

Nowhere did I say FFlogs abuse doesn't happen. It's just incredibly narrowed-minded to ostracize parsers because of a singular incident—one that went far beyond mocking someone for their bad DPS. Instead of accepting that as an isolated incident caused by horrible people, they deprive the entire community a helpful tool. Perhaps what irks me more is the constant prattling about how they want players to improve. They wasted time and resources on pointless job gauges people demanded a simplified version of within a week of saying all to supposed "close the gap." They continuously come up with these convoluted solutions which don't actually do a damn thing when every other MMO has embraced parsers because players like to see information, not guess what it may or may not do.

If there was any truth to the rumor that parsing players are just roasting poor dps we would see it everywhere. People are much more likely to talk about negative experiences but... where are the stories? The screenshots? The video? I see none of it.

Additionally, what defines "roasting"? Because I have seen plenty of people claim harassment when someone simply calls out their poor performance. If parsers were legal and I point out the BLM is only doing 3k DPS. That isn't harassment. Of course, the devs seem keen on trying push us to carry players like that.

[Awha]

I am in agreement that it is a tool the user determines how it is used. Point remains we as the NA/EU community seem to have very little control when it comes to sway the direction of the game. Sure what happened was a one off, and even the incident that happened to close friends of mine we were largely to blame for not looking beyond and seeing that logs were opt out instead of in. It was the person using the tool that caused the harm not the tool itself. I do feel Yoshi-P understands this but is one of the types that rather limit the possibility as much as it is applicable, sort of out of sight out of mind.

Unless this somehow hurts their bottom line changes like being able to send mail between alts, chat being enabled in feast, or an ingame parser will be pipe dreams. Since as you said people tend to focus on the negative more so then the positive.

To a degree I cannot blame them, I do not agree with it but I can understand how such a negative picture can paint a negative light on something. I mean I am sure many have had our moments were even if it was just for a moment we have let one negative experience dictate our perception. Sure some that view it as cheating are off bases, and I do agree it is not as wide spread as people like to make it seem. I am sure we can all agree it does happen to small degree, for some the report feature is enough for others like Yoshi-P it seems they feel the possibility should never be. Thus his hard stance I assume, some people expect better from others I guess.

[MoroMurasaki]

Additionally, what defines "roasting"? Because I have seen plenty of people claim harassment when someone simply calls out their poor performance. If parsers were legal and I point out the BLM is only doing 3k DPS. That isn't harassment. Of course, the devs seem keen on trying push us to carry players like that.

Well that's the key, isn't it?

The current shadowban on parsing does absolutely nothing to combat harrassment in the same way that a lift of that ban would do nothing to encourage harrassment.

If you decriminalize "hey blm, you're barely breaking 3k - you good? We're gonna hit a wall soon if you can't get it together" you don't have to also accept things like insults, threats, stalking bad dps after the fact... those two things are different.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Well that's the key, isn't it?

The current shadowban on parsing does absolutely nothing to combat harrassment in the same way that a lift of that ban would do nothing to encourage harrassment.

If you decriminalize "hey blm, you're barely breaking 3k - you good? We're gonna hit a wall soon if you can't get it together" you don't have to also accept things like insults, threats, stalking bad dps after the fact... those two things are different.

Sadly, for every player crying harassment at being told their performance is poor. I wager more than double would be caught entirely unaware and either seek to himself on their own or ask what they're doing wrong. The amount of people I've come across completely dumbfounded their damage was so low is staggering.

[Ranetsu-Akagane]

Pretty soon, we'll need a static for leveling dungeons.

[AiharaMizuki]

Pretty soon, we'll need a static for leveling dungeons.

That is actually a very good idea. Time to say farewell to those DPS who single targets on big packs and those heal-only princesses.

[Ranetsu-Akagane]

That is actually a very good idea. Time to say farewell to those DPS who single targets on big packs and those heal-only princesses.

Although it was mostly a joke, I've never played a mmo where people refuse to learn their job as bad as this one. If you even try to give advice then you're considered to be toxic/ elitist. I mean you can't really do much when any advice you offer is just flat out ignored. That's why I said we'll need a static for leveling dungeons and although that was meant as a joke it's starting to seem like it may end up to be true.