“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

[Ilan]

Renting inventory space in a subscription game doesn't cross the line? not even the WORST korean F2P games can get away with that.

No they don't but they'll make you pay for everything else and unlike here you have to pay if you don't want to waste several hours of playing wiht one death for example. You still don't have to rent retainers, they give you a little advantage but you don't need it.
As long as there are no mandatory things in the mogstation everything is fine and if you want to spend your money for the stuff do it and if not then don't.

And now people can call me a white knight, i don't really care because i'm 100% not i'm just amazed that people don't understand that they pay their sub only for beeing able to log in, get patches and maintenance.

[Radial]

No they don't but they'll make you pay for everything else and unlike here you have to pay if you don't want to waste several hours of playing wiht one death for example. You still don't have to rent retainers, they give you a little advantage but you don't need it.
As long as there are no mandatory things in the mogstation everything is fine and if you want to spend your money for the stuff do it and if not then don't.

And now people can call me a white knight, i don't really care because i'm 100% not i'm just amazed that people don't understand that they pay their sub only for beeing able to log in, get patches and maintenance.

Why are you so amazed that your weird subjective definition of mandatory and optional in the game is not shared by everyone? What exactly is mandatory? If glamour is the true end game for most, then all this "optional" stuff seems pretty mandatory to me.

[Ilan]

Why are you so amazed that your weird subjective definition of mandatory and optional in the game is not shared by everyone? What exactly is mandatory? If glamour is the true end game for most, then all this "optional" stuff seems pretty mandatory to me.

If glamour is your true endgame, why bother with the ugly stuff in the mogstation? Just because you think you need that stuff doesn't mean i would have a weird definition of mandatory. There is nothing in the shop that you NEED to progress further in the game, that means there is nothing mandatory. But since you obviously didn't understand for what you are paying your sub, we don't even have to discuss anymore because it is a waste of time.

[Granyala]

There is nothing in the shop that you NEED to progress further in the game, that means there is nothing mandatory.

I would argue that more retainers, definitely cross the line, since it not only boils down to more inventory space but also into more ventures per hour.

That being said: it's a minor thing, as long as it stays that way I can ignore it.

Hmmm playing WoW is this before or after the touch up.

I played for 10 years, TBC to Legion (Legion only extremely casually, I was raid active from TBC till end of WOD).

Your question is irrelevant because I am talking systems level. WoW, even the old wow before they eliminated the 400ms position polling, runs circles around FF-XIV in terms of responsiveness to player input.

Also, I am not talking about extreme cases like Eureka. Lag is expected there and you will have lag in WoW too if you put that many people on say... OOOooondasta (my fav world boss ).

I am talking about 8 souls vs a savage raid boss.

[ManuelBravo]

I would argue that more retainers, definitely cross the line, since it not only boils down to more inventory space but also into more ventures per hour.

That being said: it's a minor thing, as long as it stays that way I can ignore it.

I played for 10 years, TBC to Legion (Legion only extremely casually, I was raid active from TBC till end of WOD).



Your question is irrelevant because I am talking systems level. WoW, even the old wow before they eliminated the 400ms position polling, runs circles around FF-XIV in terms of responsiveness to player input.

Also, I am not talking about extreme cases like Eureka. Lag is expected there and you will have lag in WoW too if you put that many people on say... OOOooondasta (my fav world boss ).

I am talking about 8 souls vs a savage raid boss.

Great job comparing games same here and that is irrelevant. Just like any other game congestion varies. Same effect leave it alone for a while then comeback. If your having issues on raids how often. When it resets or later on the week? When a resets guess what? congestion. Middle to end of week rare you will have issues. Try it makes a difference. Hardware wise in everyone's eye they have a very powerful gaming system. As I had mentioned before experience varies.

I went with the extreme to prove a point and only gave it as an example. Congestion varies. I'm in Balmung, enough said when it comes to congestion. Every area is different, player experience varies, that is reality. While we could go back and forth on these, lets just end it with a simple resolution. Not every player will have the same experience, things get address by how many people get impacted. Programs are unpredictable and will continue to happen.

On another note; just like in any other game cash shops are influence by players and that is were micro transactions come into play. All cash shops are optional and not required to either play the game or complete it.

[Ilan]

I would argue that more retainers, definitely cross the line, since it not only boils down to more inventory space but also into more ventures per hour.

That being said: it's a minor thing, as long as it stays that way I can ignore it.

Well it might not be a nice thing, i agree on that, but it is just a nice to have thing because you don't need it really except you are a hoarder.

[Radial]

Well it might not be a nice thing, i agree on that, but it is just a nice to have thing because you don't need it really except you are a hoarder.

Every omnicrafter is pressured for more inventory and to say otherwise is disingenuous or you don't craft seriously. I honestly wouldn't mind paying for more space, but renting space is just crazy.

[Ilan]

Every omnicrafter is pressured for more inventory and to say otherwise is disingenuous or you don't craft seriously. I honestly wouldn't mind paying for more space, but renting space is just crazy.

Funny, i know an omnicrafter who has just 2 retainers and has no issues. Its probably because she doesn't hoard each and everything. I used to do that too but i lost interest in crafting. :shrug:

Like i said, i agree that this renting hell even buying extra inventory space is a no go but it works with less space too. We all know SE had several bad ideas with this game and this is just one of them, i won't write about the others because that would be offtopic.

[Alien_Gamer]

Every omnicrafter is pressured for more inventory and to say otherwise is disingenuous or you don't craft seriously. I honestly wouldn't mind paying for more space, but renting space is just crazy.

I dunno how you want to define crafting seriously but as someone who crafts 100s of different items a week, I don't feel pressured for more inventory. Just because you feel pressured, don't speak for everyone as if they do as well. I know many crafters that get by with the 2 base retainers or only 1 additional one. I'm actually considering dropping one of mine because I don't need it.

[Remedi]

Every omnicrafter is pressured for more inventory and to say otherwise is disingenuous or you don't craft seriously. I honestly wouldn't mind paying for more space, but renting space is just crazy.

Omnicrafter with no extra retainers and not using FC chest for that here. so speak for yourself