“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

[KaivaC]

They talked about it in the last live letter. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/371409 It's apparently just waiting on approval from the App Store / Google Play. So we'll probably see it sometime in August.

Ahhh...yeah, I definitely missed that info in the live letter. Thanks.

[Dualgunner]

I love how 90% of this thread is people hating OP spamming, so they're spamming too.

[Granyala]

they treat the game and community is laughable.

From a purist oldschool gamers PoV: absolutely.
From a 2018 gamers PoV there is nothing outside the usual here.
From a companies PoV: as long as people suck it up and throw money at you: you are doing everything right.

SE is a BUSINESS. Not a deity obliged to hold up high moral standards. If sub + MT crap = more $$$, that's what they are going to do.
Whether you and me are agreeing to that is completely irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I still hate Blizzard for paving the way on double dipping. Sub + cash shop is an abomination that should never have been accepted by the gaming community but people out there are dumb, gullible and obviously have too much cash lying around.

We can whine, we can rage, we can reminisce about how great gaming was pre DLC/Lootbox/Microtransaction but all we will do is waste our energy while the kiddos of today happily drain their parent's wallets for a few insta gratification shinies.

[Celef]

Who cares about reputation when you can get money ?

[Remedi]

I still hate Blizzard for paving the way on double dipping. Sub + cash shop is an abomination that should never have been accepted by the gaming community but people out there are dumb, gullible and obviously have too much cash lying around.

I was starting to think I was the only one finding that unacceptable and one of the roots of the problem

Renting inventory space in a subscription game doesn't cross the line? not even the WORST korean F2P games can get away with that.

HI!

[Skivvy]

SE is a BUSINESS. Not a deity obliged to hold up high moral standards. If sub + MT crap = more $$$, that's what they are going to do.
Whether you and me are agreeing to that is completely irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I still hate Blizzard for paving the way on double dipping. Sub + cash shop is an abomination that should never have been accepted by the gaming community but people out there are dumb, gullible and obviously have too much cash lying around.

We can whine, we can rage, we can reminisce about how great gaming was pre DLC/Lootbox/Microtransaction but all we will do is waste our energy while the kiddos of today happily drain their parent's wallets for a few insta gratification shinies.

Sadly, I agree that a lot of these things are here to stay, but it's still possible to find that balance where you're bringing in the extra cash while delivering a product that people are satisfied with. EA Games is not the company to try and emulate.

[ManuelBravo]

100% agree with OP, it is getting ridiculous, I remember when mogstation itself was controversial. Retainers are just insane, you literally are RENTING INVENTORY IN A SUBSCRIPTION GAME. That is even beyond the worst of F2P games out there. The devs AND community should be ASHAMED of what the game has become since we forced them to turn around 1.0, and not just regarding all this endless micro transaction escalation, just the sheer amount of laziness in the devs and flat out LIES told by YoshiP. Lets go over a few of things that have made this the final straw for me and SB my last expansion unless we get another 1.0 rework of the entire engine/server database infrastructure.

PC addons promised since 2.0 closed beta, and strung the community along for years with please look forward to it, only to cancel them in the usual Japanese fashion of barely acknowledging they were even planned.

Server lag and packet loss at Montreal location for years, even MORE lag and packet loss for most of the midwest in new CA location, I get over 60% packet loss to primal from Colorado,Texas,Kansas,New Mexico, and Arizona without a VPN.

"Personal Housing - While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable." ~Yoshi P

Inventory being a technical and server issue, but that issue is magically resolved as soon a you cough up more money!

Anemic servers and constant excuses regarding server costs when this game literally saved the company from bankruptcy.

Please look forward to the mobile app, for years and years, and when it finally comes out! its freemium AND introduces a weird microtransaction currency with moogle coins.

Outsourced GM and forum mods that never seem to actually give any NA feedback to team, or dev feedback to NA.

Still having to rely on fan translations because apparently paying for timely translation to your largest market segment is too expensive.

Does anyone remember this? To look at that today with how they treat the game and community is laughable.


PS: can we get a mod to remove the useless posts that just whine and troll about "yet another" thread telling OP to just quit the game already? If you want to argue against these points fine, but most of the posts are just non productive trolling,or attempts to derail. no one is forcing you to read this thread if it annoys you so much.

You do realize that the mogstation cash items are do to the demand people request on social media, forums, in game, and other sources right? They are thinking of the community and in a way it is called a business for a reason. Based on your post you seem to misunderstand the whole meaning of the word.

Business ; The activity of buying and selling commodities, products, or services:

Purpose of a business ; is to offer value (through products and/or services) to customers, who pay for the value with cash or equivalents. Minimally, the money received should fund the costs of operating the business as well as provide for the life needs of the proprietor.

With this being said; you do realize everything is considered OPTIONAL ; meaning available to be chosen but not obligatory.

Hence the Cash shop which we the consumer are to blame for.

As for the whole Lag issues ; -.- you do realize that there are multiple factors that can affect this, NOT just SE. Device, technology changes example; PC 32bit system , recommended to use 64bit system. There is also product knowledge somehow people want to run at max settings when their system can't handle it. Then it crashes and blame the company.

I do agree that the company can be better prepared for expansions and to be honest I was impressed with Stormblood. Compared to Heavansward, it was a huge improvement in congestion controls so they have shown that they are trying to make it a better experience.

[MageBlack]

Excuse me? did you even read the post above yours? I am not subbed to the game, there is no dishonesty here. Stop attacking me with fallacies please.

Counts as a sub dude. If it didnt count as a sub, you wouldnt have access to the forums

[Talraen]

Renting inventory space in a subscription game doesn't cross the line? not even the WORST korean F2P games can get away with that.

Inventory offers no real advantage in FFXIV. I don't play Korean F2P games, so I can't compare directly, but I'm still not going to get upset with offering premium products of no actual consequence.

[Skivvy]

Counts as a sub dude. If it didnt count as a sub, you wouldnt have access to the forums

It's taking advantage of a free login period. No money is changing hands, and they are not getting a month subscription. Why does this forum like to nitpick the shit out of stupid things?

I played a lot of FF games, I legit enjoyed SE as a company (More so square soft) for a long time. So it is heartbreaking to me to see this path they are taking, so it is important to me.

This strikes true with a lot of us. How often do you see people say "Well if you don't like it, go play something else"? That's not a great way to be. I think most of us are here because we have enjoyed something about the game, and we want to see it become better. We bring issues up, and complain, because we hope it will do some good. Some people go about it better than others, but I imagine the underlying thought is the same.

Of course there are times where you just need to throw in the towel and move on, but that's a personal decision. We all have our limit for what we find acceptable. I'm definitely of the opinion that SE has done plenty of bad things with this game, and I would probably not pick up another SE title. That's a complete reversal from my XI days. I'm obviously just one person, but I doubt I'm alone in that thought.