“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

[Skivvy]

But then you have SE titles like octopath traveler which is a complete game that threw shades to other titles of the company.

Sadly the world is not black and white and frankly what he says about the crossing the line AS I have shown have been already crossed plenty in the past.

And frankly ppl nitpick on him because of what he did in the past and how he treated ppl in general so you reap what you sow

My experience with SE has been mainly just the MMOs. I have a few console games that I never made it far in (X, X-2, and i think another numbered one), so I'm not really a die-hard SE fan to begin with. If there are more questionable actions in the other games, I'm not aware of those personally. Maybe that's for the best

But yeah, nothing is black and white, and business models change as time goes on. There are still ways to embrace the changes while not going hog wild and taking advantage of your customers. Obviously opinions will vary on whether or not SE is crossing that line or not.

As to the last line, I get it - I do. But I've seen far too many threads turn into a complete mess because someone will just nitpick the crap out of some irrelevant comment. I guess that's online forums for ya. That was more my frustration slipping through, and I apologize ><

[Remedi]

My experience with SE has been mainly just the MMOs. I have a few console games that I never made it far in (X, X-2, and i think another numbered one), so I'm not really a die-hard SE fan to begin with. If there are more questionable actions in the other games, I'm not aware of those personally. Maybe that's for the best

But yeah, nothing is black and white, and business models change as time goes on. There are still ways to embrace the changes while not going hog wild and taking advantage of your customers. Obviously opinions will vary on whether or not SE is crossing that line or not.

As to the last line, I get it - I do. But I've seen far too many threads turn into a complete mess because someone will just nitpick the crap out of some irrelevant comment. I guess that's online forums for ya. That was more my frustration slipping through, and I apologize ><

What I mean is that FFXI already sold extra wardrobe space and also you had to pay for character slots, from what ppl tell me about the game it's more crippling than here, but I could be wrong. Point is that what's happening is not really doing anything out of the straordinary

as for the quote regarding OP, well I can agree with you, it's a bit of bias for some and for others can be frustating

[Skivvy]

What I mean is that FFXI already sold extra wardrobe space and also you had to pay for character slots, from what ppl tell me about the game it's more crippling than here, but I could be wrong. Point is that what's happening is not really doing anything out of the straordinary

Mules have always been popular in XI, but they are handy for far more than just storage. I think the big perks are when used as crafting alts, gardening armies, bazaaring, more auction house space, free daily item etc. Big money can be had from mules. Up until 2016, when they started selling the 2 additional gear storage slots, this was the only additional in-game "perk" you could buy in addition to your sub.

If the only thing that XIV sold were additional retainers, I don't think the backlash would be so strong. But as it is, they have a massive cash shop full of exclusive mounts and costumes. They are introducing a sub-based app for in-game perks. And then there are the 9 additional retainers for sale. The last one annoys me a bit just due to how it was handled by SE. SE tried to explain why they couldn't increase inventory, but then suddenly those concerns seemed to poof once the sales became available. Another sore spot is that we still don't have a free 3rd retainer after 5 years.

One thing by itself may not be horrible, but when it's all combined together, it's not painting the best of pictures.

Of course, this is just my opinion. I understand not everyone is going to feel the same as me.

[Remedi]

Mules have always been popular in XI, but they are handy for far more than just storage. I think the big perks are when used as crafting alts, gardening armies, bazaaring, more auction house space, free daily item etc. Big money can be had from mules. Up until 2016, when they started selling the 2 additional gear storage slots, this was the only thing you could buy in addition to your sub.

If the only thing that XIV sold were additional retainers, I don't think the backlash would be so strong. But as it is, they have a massive cash shop full of exclusive mounts and costumes. They are introducing a sub-based app for in-game perks. And then there are the 9 additional retainers for sale. The last one annoys me a bit just due to how it was handled by SE. SE tried to explain why they couldn't increase inventory, but then suddenly those concerns seemed to poof once the sales became available. Another sore spot is that we still don't have a free 3rd retainer after 5 years.

One thing by itself may not be horrible, but when it's all combined together, it's not painting the best of pictures.

Of course, this is just my opinion. I understand not everyone is going to feel the same as me.

I say that extra char slots are worse than eveything done so far tbh, the damage was done then not now.

The problem with this thread is that it's trying to say that it's a slippery slope, but we are already at the bottom of the barrell because the company has done plenty of this things in the years

and as granyala haave said blizzard has paved the way for the cash shop in sub games, SE simply adapted it on top on their selling storages and partly on character slots (begginer fee vs normal player fee) and he/she is also right that sadly complaining about this won't change much because there always be ppl willing to pay for this (which sadly it's a common thing in japan)

[ManuelBravo]

If we all step back and look at the bigger picture we can probably come to one main key point. Inventory wise the game is designed to accommodate at average 3 classes and that is with low end hoarding habits. Having extra retainers semi helps and really only makes the hoarding habit expand. For those who are organize and constantly have a flow in there inventory having extra retainers can help in terms of selling. ( mostly if you craft ) Sure we all like to keep glamour and such and hopefully they can expand the Armorie options, however if we really look into our inventory why do we keep most of the crap?
I'm guilty of this and have max retainers, however it does help me gathering materials and selling. I have a Private FC as well for space and perks. It's still better than alternates and spending more money on multiple accounts. -.-? SE is meeting demand and lets face it us lazy people would rather pay than be more organized -.-/