What Weapon Should A Blue Mage Use?

[Nestama]

Since 14 is pretty much the future of 11 and possibly several other games

It's not the future of FFXI or any other FF game. It's its own world that just so happens to reference other FF games, but giving them their own spin to make them fit with its own lore. Nowhere in the lore book does it mention anything about Vana'diel, nor anything about Altana, Promathia and the Zilarts. Heck, Bahamut isn't even an Astral (and doesn't exist as a Primal until the war against the Allags and before then, he was just one of Midgardsormr's children), which is enough for me to say FFXI is not FFXIV's past.

[Selvokaz]

It's not the future of FFXI or any other FF game. It's its own world that just so happens to reference other FF games, but giving them their own spin to make them fit with its own lore. Nowhere in the lore book does it mention anything about Vana'diel, nor anything about Altana, Promathia and the Zilarts. Heck, Bahamut isn't even an Astral (and doesn't exist as a Primal until the war against the Allags and before then, he was just one of Midgardsormr's children), which is enough for me to say FFXI is not FFXIV's past.

go get the Mithra minion and come back after reading its descriptor and tell me that again, not to mention Ivalice storyline, at the very least it's a amalgam of various worlds.

[Kazrah]

it would stand the reason that if Blue Mage did reappear it might be linked to its ff 11 past, but people keep acting like it's just going to be a mage who put on a blue cape and was like, "Ah ha, I am Blue Mage. RAWWR!" After the law dig, I definitely want them to have claws and fangs as weapons. lol.

This is actually the reason why we probably won't get Blue Mage in full: the majority of those requesting it want it exactly like how it was in 11, which simply won't happen. Lore is fancy, and might be an inspiration for whatever job we get that would be something along the lines of Blue Mage, but we likely won't get the real deal because of everything else associated to the 11 version.

That being said, it would be cool to see a weapon shifting into claws or other forms for various attacks.

[Nestama]

go get the Mithra minion and come back after reading its descriptor and tell me that again, not to mention Ivalice storyline, at the very least it's a amalgam of various worlds.

I think I'll trust the lore book and the overall 'history' of FFXIV's world (re-watch the 3.2 cutscene with Minfiliaedalyn) over some silly minion description. As well as the dev team themselves stating that FFXIV and XI are not connected in any way.

A: Maehiro: To be absolutely clear, there is no direct connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice or even FFXI’s Vana’diel. They are not the same world in different dimensions or time—they are their own separate worlds. However, there are certain connections to people or objects that appear in these other worlds that figure into the story of FFXIV as it has been conceived and is being told.

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Heck, I'm pretty sure FFXI's own lore can disprove this as well (especially the Summoners/Summons).

[Rayo]

On a Side note, I'm curious now what kinda aesthetic/lore/theme/story a Blue Mage job has, I've been seeing alot of people want magitek origin which is fine (except the body augmentation from 11, gonna have to explain alot why the WoL doesn't just whip it out during any other job, since Job crystals are more about filling the crystal with experience and knowledge over actual in-universe training or experimentation)

Personally I'd like the Blue mage's story being kinda like an inheritance story similar to MHA One for all, You're just one of a line of Blue Mage Job crystal wielders, each one making the job more powerful by absorbing the Power of Monsters

[MomomiMomi]

I think I'll trust the lore book and the overall 'history' of FFXIV's world (re-watch the 3.2 cutscene with Minfiliaedalyn) over some silly minion description. As well as the dev team themselves stating that FFXIV and XI are not connected in any way.



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Heck, I'm pretty sure FFXI's own lore can disprove this as well (especially the Summoners/Summons).

To be fair, those are pretty old sources, especially the live letter one. They may have changed their minds since.

[dinnertime]

They also could use other weapons in FFV, not just swords. Your argument (or at least the way you phrased your post) implies that Blue Mage only ever just wielded swords (which was something someone tried to do earlier in this thread) and others are just stating that is not the case at all.

I said they can, not they can ONLY. Sorry but you assumed that yourself.

Summoners weren't introduced into the series (to my understanding) "wielding" grimoires either. Bards weren't commonly associated with wielding bows.

Yes, but I'm not sure what you're trying to point out from what I said. All I said is Blue Mage can use swords.

"Technically" DRKs, RDMs, SAMs and PLDs all wield swords but the type of sword and shape varies. I do concede though that scimitars and sabers can be too visually similar to PLD's main arm (a handful of their weapons already look like scimitars) so I would think the devs would opt out designing a new job with a weapon-type that's already represented. So unless it's an easily distinguishable new type of "sword," I don't see that as a weapon for a new anything.

Yeah, but it didn't stop them giving the two new jobs a different style of sword. In the end, we're not the ones to decide that.

[dinnertime]

go get the Mithra minion and come back after reading its descriptor and tell me that again, not to mention Ivalice storyline, at the very least it's a amalgam of various worlds.

It's nothing but references. Especially the Ivalice story, the timeline in FFXIV's Ivalice (FFT to FF12) is actually backwards from the real Ivalice.

[Limecat]

since Job crystals are more about filling the crystal with experience and knowledge over actual in-universe training or experimentation)

It's not that hard to hash out with what they've shown us, really.

• Soul crystals are condensed fragments of the aether/souls of people containing their memories of abilities and experiences.

• People know how to artificially make empty ones.

• That Garlean tech for extracting aether and powers from one person to transfer them into another isn't that far off of an idea from what blue magic is. That itself is a callback to the magic extraction from the Magitek Factory in FF6, another setting using the notion that the soul of a being can become a crystal after death and impart the magic of whoever it was derived from to someone else.

• A bit on the nose, but the ceruleum used by the Garleans to power their magitek is, well, blue, and is refined from natural deposits of condensed aether.

• For a bit of icing on the cake, the methodology for blue magic in XI is that you're absorbing a fragment of a monster's soul into your own to gain access to its powers.

Given all this, speculating a framework for what might happen is simple:
Garleans lack in-born magic, so they use refined blue aether to achieve magic-like effects through technology capable of channeling those energies. The BLU soul crystal would be an artificial one based on the extraction tech(or possibly is a prototype or offshoot from that research). In seeking aetheric abilities capable of harming primals or other immaterial beings, they turn to some of the powers exhibited by monsters and imprint those into the soul crystals rather than strictly the memories of the holder. Additionally, like most magitek evoking them requires feeding ceruleum into the system. Consider how the higher officers in the empire need their armor and weapons to do their crazy attacks; they would have to house ceruleum or even more condensed aether sources in batteries/tanks of some kind in the equipment(makes for a nice nod to MCH's aetheromabobber too in regards to personal tech for magic manipulation).

[Cidel]

Yes, but I'm not sure what you're trying to point out from what I said. All I said is Blue Mage can use swords.

I had a long-ish response typed out about what my original comment was addressing in your quote, but it dawned on me that there probably is a misunderstanding stemming from hynaku's reply to Zumi's blunt statement that "Blue mages have used swords."

In turn, I think hynaku interpreted that comment as: "since Blue mages have used swords in other Final Fantasies, they would have to use a sword here."

At which point it looked like you took hynaku's "They have never just used swords" comment to mean: "Blue mages have never used swords as a weapon. Ever," when in fact, I think hynaku meant that Blue mages have never only just used swords as their weapon.

So you pointing out that Blue mages have actually used swords (since FFV) looked like an attempt at a counter-argument to hynaku's stance that Blue mages don't just exclusively use swords to Wiccan026 and myself


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It's the explanation that makes the most sense to me.

but it didn't stop them giving the two new jobs a different style of sword. In the end, we're not the ones to decide that.

I know, we're not. But we can infer from the dev's previous actions and design-choices that they'll likely not give a new job a weapon that doesn't have an easily identifiable physical difference or function from any other weapon wielded by an existing job.